REWRITING AMERICAN HISTORY: EXAMINING THE SMITHSONIAN'S EFFORTS TO RESHAPE THE PAST

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 REWRITING AMERICAN HISTORY:
 EXAMINING THE SMITHSONIAN'S EFFORTS
 TO RESHAPE THE PAST

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 COMMITTEE ON OVERSIGHT AND GOVERNMENT REFORM

 JAMES COMER, Kentucky, Chairman

Jim Jordan, Ohio Robert Garcia, California, Ranking 
Mike Turner, Ohio Minority Member
Paul Gosar, Arizona Eleanor Holmes Norton, District of 
Virginia Foxx, North Carolina Columbia
Glenn Grothman, Wisconsin Stephen F. Lynch, Massachusetts
Michael Cloud, Texas Raja Krishnamoorthi, Illinois
Gary Palmer, Alabama Ro Khanna, California
Clay Higgins, Louisiana Kweisi Mfume, Maryland
Pete Sessions, Texas Shontel Brown, Ohio
Andy Biggs, Arizona Melanie Stansbury, New Mexico
Nancy Mace, South Carolina Maxwell Frost, Florida
Pat Fallon, Texas Greg Casar, Texas
Byron Donalds, Florida Jasmine Crockett, Texas
Scott Perry, Pennsylvania Emily Randall, Washington
William Timmons, South Carolina Suhas Subramanyam, Virginia
Tim Burchett, Tennessee Yassamin Ansari, Arizona
Lauren Boebert, Colorado Wesley Bell, Missouri
Anna Paulina Luna, Florida Lateefah Simon, California
Nick Langworthy, New York Dave Min, California
Eric Burlison, Missouri James Walkinshaw, Virginia
Elijah Crane, Arizona Christian Menefee, Texas
Brian Jack, Georgia Ayanna Pressley, Massachusetts
John McGuire, Virginia Rashida Tlaib, Michigan
Brandon Gill, Texas
Richard McCormick, Georgia

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 James Rust, Deputy Staff Director
 Ryan Giachetti, Chief Counsel
 Peter Warren, Senior Advisor
 Jack Furla, Counsel
 Luke Moll, Research Assistant
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 Subcommittee on Delivering on Government Efficiency (DOGE)

 Tim Burchett, Tennessee, Chairman

Michael Cloud, Texas Melanie Stansbury, New Mexico, 
Nancy Mace, South Carolina Ranking Member
Pat Fallon, Texas Eleanor Holmes Norton, District of 
William Timmons, South Carolina Columbia
Lauren Boebert, Colorado Stephen Lynch, Massachusetts
Anna Paulina Luna, Florida Maxwell Frost, Florida
Eric Burlison, Missouri Greg Casar, Texas
Brian Jack, Georgia Jasmine Crockett, Texas
Brandon Gill, Texas Suhas Subramanyam, Virginia
 James Walkinshaw, Virginia
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 C O N T E N T S

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 OPENING STATEMENTS

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Hon. Tim Burchett, U.S. Representative, Chairman................. 1

Hon. Melanie Stansbury, U.S. Representative, Ranking Member...... 2

 WITNESSES

Dr. Anthea Hartig, Ph.D., Director, National Museum of American 
 History, Smithsonian Institution
Oral Statement................................................... 5

Mr. Mike Gonzalez, E Pluribus Unum Senior Fellow, Kathryn and 
 Shelby Cullom Davis Institute for National Security and Foreign 
 Policy, The Heritage Foundation
Oral Statement................................................... 7

Dr. Matthew Spalding, Ph.D., Kirby Professor in Constitutional 
 Government, Dean of the Van Andel Graduate School of 
 Government, Hillsdale College
Oral Statement................................................... 8

Dr. David Blight, Ph.D. (Minority Witness), Sterling Professor of 
 History, Yale University
Oral Statement................................................... 10

Written opening statements and bios are available on the U.S. 
 House of Representatives Document Repository at: 
 docs.house.gov.

 INDEX OF DOCUMENTS

 * Statement for the Record from AHA; submitted by Rep. 
 Stansbury.

 * Report, White House, ``Saving America's Story''; submitted by 
 Rep. Burchett.

 * Article, New York Times, ``Trump Is Bending History to His 
 Will. He Will Fail.''; submitted by Rep. Pressley.

 * Article, Newsweek, ``Jackie Robinson's Army History Deleted 
 by Pentagon''; submitted by Rep. Walkinshaw.

 * Article, Reuters, ``Trump's Anti-DEI Order Yanks Air Force 
 Videos of Tuskegee Airmen and Female Pilots''; submitted by 
 Rep. Walkinshaw.

 * Article, Axios, ``Navajo Code Talkers Disappear From Military 
 Websites after Trump DEI Order''; submitted by Rep. Walkinshaw.

The documents listed above are available at: docs.house.gov.

 ADDITIONAL DOCUMENTS

 * Questions for the Record: Dr. Anthea Hartig, Ph.D.; submitted 
 by Rep. Burchett.

 * Questions for the Record: Dr. Anthea Hartig, Ph.D.; submitted 
 by Rep. Stansbury.

These documents were submitted after the hearing, and may be 
 available upon request.

 
 REWRITING AMERICAN HISTORY:
 EXAMINING THE SMITHSONIAN'S EFFORTS
 TO RESHAPE THE PAST

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 TUESDAY, JULY 21, 2026

 U.S. House of Representatives

 Committee on Oversight and Government Reform

 Subcommittee on Delivering on Government Efficiency

 Washington, D.C.

 The Subcommittee met, pursuant to notice, at 10:04 a.m., in 
room 2154, Rayburn House Office Building, Hon. Tim Burchett 
[Chairman of the Subcommittee] presiding.
 Present: Representatives Burchett, Cloud, Mace, Fallon, 
Timmons, Boebert, Burlison, Jack, Gill, Stansbury, Lynch, 
Frost, Crockett, Subramanyam, and Walkinshaw.
 Also present: Representatives Mfume, Pressley, Beyer, and 
Jackson.
 Mr. Burchett. The hearing on the Subcommittee on Delivering 
of Government Efficiencies will come to order. I want to 
welcome everyone.
 Without objection, the Chair may declare a recess at any 
time. And I recognize myself for the purpose of making an 
opening statement.
 Before I do so, I just--I am probably out of order here, 
but I have some friends of mine from Tennessee State Senate. I 
spent 12 years in that body, and they actually do a lot of 
great things for the great State of Tennessee. So, thank you 
all, gentlemen and lady, for being here. You are very welcome.

 OPENING STATEMENT OF CHAIRMAN TIM BURCHETT

 REPRESENTATIVE FROM TENNESSEE

 Good morning. We are here to find out about how a once 
proud American institution fell victim to ideological capture 
and how to rescue it.
 The Smithsonian Institution's National Museum of American 
History was open in 1964 to instill in Americans and foreign 
visitors alike an appreciation of this Nation's distinctive 
heritage and to celebrate its singular story as a beacon of 
freedom and opportunity. But the museum has strayed, I believe, 
from the original purpose for which it exists and receives 
Federal taxpayer support. I feel like it has become infected by 
a woke ideology that is seeped into public displays, 
educational materials, and planning documents.
 The American story is the birth and growth of a great 
Nation founded on powerful ideals on which we aim to fully 
achieve, but in the museum's current telling, history is just 
an ongoing power struggle between oppressors and the oppressed. 
Only the oppressed are celebrated, especially illegal 
immigrants.
 The museum promotes educational curricula and it recommends 
teachers to avoid using the terms ``illegal alien'' and 
``illegal immigrant,'' while instructing on how to use the 
terms ``gender fluidity'' and ``gender nonconforming.''
 It hosts staff discussion groups on how museums can be used 
to foster social action against White privilege and 
heteropatriarchy. A museum display even accuses Mickey Mouse of 
having racist origins.
 The many examples of politicization of the museum are well 
documented in the comprehensive report the White House Domestic 
Policy Council recently issued on July 4, the Nation's 250th 
anniversary. The report makes clear that the museum's woke 
exhibits and materials reflect a broader vision held by the 
museum leadership, particularly its director, Dr. Anthea 
Hartig, who is here today with us.
 Dr. Hartig proudly takes credit for changing the museum's 
mission statement, which no longer uses the term ``American 
history'' or refers to the infinite richness of that history. 
The museum is now guided by an interpretive plan that ensures 
all topics focus on the core issues of our time.
 And do we want to guess what they are? Race and identity, 
gender and sexuality, environmental change, immigration and 
migrations, and economic inequality top the list.
 Also, a center for restorative justice at the museum, 
created under Dr. Hartig's watch, hosted a decolonization 
working group to investigate historical harms that result in 
ongoing systematic oppression.
 To remove any doubt about her intentions, Dr. Hartig, in 
her own words, states that she views history as a prime tool of 
social justice.
 Here is a brief telling video. The director of Museum of 
American History in her public remarks repeatedly implies 
Americans are illegitimately occupying their own country.
 [Video shown.]
 Mr. Burchett. With that, I yield to Ranking Member 
Stansbury for her opening remarks.

 OPENING STATEMENT OF RANKING MEMBER

 MELANIE STANSBURY, REPRESENTATIVE FROM NEW MEXICO

 Ms. Stansbury. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
 Today we are here because one of the greatest cultural and 
historical institutions in the world is under attack and is the 
target of an ongoing campaign to politicize America's 
independent and scientific and cultural institutions by this 
Administration.
 Let me be clear. The Smithsonian Institution does not 
belong to the President. It does not belong to a political 
party. It belongs to the American people.
 For nearly 180 years, the Smithsonian has served as our 
Nation's museum, our Nation's research institution, and our 
Nation's archive. It preserves more than 150 million artifacts 
and specimens. It welcomes millions of visitors every year from 
every single congressional district represented by the people 
in this room. It supports world-class scientific research. It 
educates future generations of American leaders, and it tells 
the story of who we are as a people, as Americans. A story that 
is not perfect. A story that is steeped in, yes, history, 
tradition, pain, and triumph.
 That has always been the Smithsonian's history, to preserve 
our history, to advance knowledge, and to help the American 
people understand ourselves using evidence, scholarship, 
science, and the truth.
 The mission has never depended on whether history is 
convenient, whether it is comfortable, or whether you like it 
or not. It has always depended on whether or not history is 
accurate.
 But what we have seen since January of last year when the 
Trump Administration took office is that this Administration 
has launched an unprecedented effort to interfere in how 
American history is told, researched, interpreted, presented, 
and taught, not just in the Smithsonian, but in our schools and 
our institutes of higher education and through and across the 
Federal Government.
 In March of last year, the President signed an executive 
order called Restoring Truth and Sanity to American History, 
directing the Administration to review the exhibit of our 
beloved museums and Federal historic sites and monuments for 
what it characterized as improper ideology.
 If that does not send a chill through your spine, I do not 
know what does. And they assign the Vice President, JD Vance, 
because of his assigned role as the Vice President, as the 
board of regents for the responsibility of advancing these 
objectives.
 But I want to be clear. This order was not simply about 
exhibits. It was about exercising political control over 
historical scholarship. And what we saw earlier this month, 
which was just referenced by the Chairman, is that this White 
House issued a 162-page report attacking the Smithsonian 
American History, accusing museum leadership of extreme 
political activism, and calls for sweeping changes--calling out 
individual leaders by name.
 That is not policy. That is a political witch hunt.
 The Federal Government is responsible for overseeing this 
independent institution, and this should concern every single 
Member of this Committee, regardless of party, because when 
politicians begin deciding what facts are acceptable, 
scholarship ceases to be scholarship. It becomes propaganda.
 Now, we have seen this throughout American history. A lot 
of people are talking about the roots of what is happening in 
this country right now is existing in other countries and other 
places and other authoritarian governments, but we have seen 
this here in America with the lost cause in the 1920s and the 
attempt to rewrite American history and to whitewash the 
Confederacy and slavery.
 We saw this in McCarthyism here in this country when a 
President and a Congress went after American historians, 
actors, and cultural institutions to rewrite the history of 
this country.
 We have seen it during this Administration as they had 
frozen grant funding to institutions across the country. They 
have erased the history of our American servicemembers on 
Department of Defense (DOD) websites, erasing the contributions 
of Black, of Hispanic, of Native American, of women, of 
lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, queer/questioning (LGBTQ+) 
people who have served this great Nation in uniform.
 Now, history--if you are a student of history, which is 
what the Smithsonian is all about--teaches us why this is so 
dangerous. And I do not think that it is a mistake that the 
Majority's witnesses in front of us, in addition to the 
Director, are associated with the architecture of Project 2025. 
Because it was articulated in that document and the 
institutions, and the individuals who are sitting in the White 
House right now making these decisions, that they want to 
rewrite the history of this country and take away the resources 
and leadership of people who have fought, marched, and served 
this country for generations so that they could lead in this 
moment and keep moving our country forward. And they understand 
that when you remove books, when you rewrite textbooks, when 
you pressure museums, when you silence scholars, you can do so 
to articulate power.
 Now, this is why, today, I am introducing the Smithsonian 
Integrity and Historical Independence Act. It bars any Federal 
official, including those in the White House that are trying to 
do this, from trying to interfere in the independent 
institutions of this country and the historic interpretation of 
our Nation's history. And it reasserts our congressional 
authority over this independent agency.
 Now, we have seen this over and over again during this 
Administration that they are trying to take over the 
independent entities and to assert executive control, that even 
the Supreme Court just ruled a few weeks ago they do not have, 
with the Federal Reserve. And, once again, they are trying to 
do it again here in the Smithsonian.
 But I want to be clear. We will fight. We will stop them. 
We will push back in the courts. We will push back here in 
Congress. And we will push back in our communities all across 
the country, and we refuse to let historians, artists, 
scholars, and people who love these institutions with their 
entire hearts, to be punished by an Administration that is 
trying to exercise political history, political control, and 
rewrite American history.
 So, with that, Mr. Chairman, I will yield back, but I am 
disappointed, after all of the bipartisan work that we have 
done in this Committee, to see this Subcommittee used once 
again as a political tool for this Administration.
 And with that, I yield back.
 Mr. Burchett. Thank you for your heartfelt comments.
 Without objection, Representative Carlos Gimenez of 
Florida; Mr. Frost of Florida; my buddy, Kweisi Mfume of 
Maryland; and Ayanna Pressley of Massachusetts are waived on 
the Subcommittee for the purpose of questioning witnesses in 
today's hearing, and others might come in as well.
 I would like to welcome--today, I would like to welcome our 
witnesses. First, we have Dr. Anthea Hartig. Dr. Hartig serves 
as the Director of the National Museum of American History at 
the Smithsonian Institution.
 Next, we have Mike Gonzalez. Mr. Gonzalez serves as the E 
Pluribus Unum Senior Fellow for the Kathryn and Shelby Cullom 
Davis Institute for National Security and Foreign Policy at The 
Heritage Foundation.
 Next, we have Dr. Matthew Spalding. Dr. Spalding serves as 
the Kirby Professor in Constitutional Government and Dean of 
the Van Andel Graduate School of Government at Hillsdale 
College's Washington, D.C. campus.
 Last, we have Dr. David Blight. Dr. Blight serves as 
Sterling Professor of History at Yale University.
 And I thank you all for joining us, and I look forward to 
your testimony.
 Pursuant to Committee Rule 9(g), the witnesses will please 
stand and raise their right hand.
 Do you solemnly swear or affirm that the testimony that you 
are about to give is the truth, the whole truth, and nothing 
but the truth, so help you God?
 [Chorus of ayes.]
 Mr. Burchett. Let the record show the witnesses answered in 
the affirmative.
 And thank you all. You all may take a seat. We appreciate 
you all being here today and look forward to your testimony.
 Let me remind the witnesses that we have read your written 
statement, and it will appear in the full hearing record. 
Please limit your oral statements to 5 minutes. If you go over, 
I will tap the mic--tap the gavel so you will know.
 As a reminder, please press the button on the microphone in 
front of you so that it is on and the Members can hear you. 
When you begin to speak, the light in front of you will turn 
green. After 4 minutes, the light will turn yellow. When the 
red light comes on, your 5 minutes have expired, and we would 
like you to please wrap it up.
 I now recognize Dr. Hartig for her opening statement. Thank 
you, ma'am.

 STATEMENT OF DR. ANTHEA HARTIG, PH.D.

 DIRECTOR, NATIONAL MUSEUM OF AMERICAN HISTORY

 SMITHSONIAN INSTITUTION

 Dr. Hartig. Thank you, sir.
 Chairman Burchett, Ranking Member Stansbury, and Members of 
the Committee, thank you for the opportunity to testify today. 
I know this Committee has questions about the National Museum 
of American History, and I welcome the chance to answer them.
 As an historian, I have spent my career studying, teaching, 
and preserving the history of the United States. My family has 
served this Nation since the Revolutionary War, and I was 
raised with a deep sense of obligation to it and the democratic 
ideals that the country asks each generation to build and to 
uphold.
 Since 2019, I have been honored to serve as the Elizabeth 
MacMillan Director of your National Museum of American History, 
home of the Star-Spangled Banner. It is a true honor to serve 
alongside my devoted fellow public servants who staff the 
museum, and I am immensely proud of our work.
 Congress created the Smithsonian Institution in 1846 with 
an aspirational mission of diffusion and knowledge. Can you 
imagine? Increase and diffusion of knowledge. It is an 
independent trust instrumentality outside the executive branch 
of government and is governed by a board of regents that 
includes all three branches of government and nine citizen 
regents appointed by a joint resolution of Congress.
 The Smithsonian takes the concerns raised in the White 
House Domestic Policy Council's report seriously. And as we 
continue to fact-check the report, we unwaveringly attest that 
it does not fairly or accurately characterize the full body of 
work at the museum. There is always room for improvement. But I 
also know the beauty and the inspiration and the expertise that 
lies in our collections, our exhibits, and our programming.
 When a family walks through the doors of the museum, free 
of charge, as two million people did last year, they find the 
desk on which Thomas Jefferson drafted the Declaration of 
Independence, Horatio Greenough's magnificent statue of George 
Washington, Abraham Lincoln's top hat from the night he was 
assassinated, the Greensboro lunch counter, the gowns of the 
first ladies, and the stories of Americans in uniform. They 
find the inventions that changed the world and the ordinary 
Americans who built it.
 I have watched ten year olds with their families stand in 
front of the Star-Spangled Banner with their hands over their 
hearts. No one told them to. That is the National Museum of 
American History at its most powerful: patriotism, not 
instructed, but inspired.
 Our work is governed by the Smithsonian standards of 
scholarship, accuracy, independence, and nonpartisanship. The 
museum does not take sides in America's political debates. We 
preserve and document the evidence of American life in all of 
its breadth so that the public can encounter the past and draw 
their own conclusions.
 We are also always learning. When visitors, scholars, 
Members of Congress, veterans and teachers, volunteers tell us 
we have gotten something wrong or only half right, we take it 
seriously, and we make the changes when the evidence supports 
them. And when historians talk about reframing a traditional 
narrative, we do not mean erasing it. We mean adding the 
evidence, the voices, the objects that earlier tellings left 
out so that more Americans can see themselves reflected in the 
national story.
 We honor the Declaration, the Revolution, the Constitution, 
our national symbols, and we tell the truth about the times 
that the country fell short of its own founding ideals. Telling 
our story fully is a form of respect for the American people 
and a commitment to constantly being in pursuit of a more 
perfect union.
 I hope that you will judge this museum the way that the 
American people do, by what is on its walls and what is in its 
care. Please accept our sincere invitation, walk the building 
with me, stand in awe in front of the Star-Spangled Banner. I 
believe what you will find, Madams and Sirs, is not an 
institution that has forgotten its country, but one that loves 
it enough to tell the full sweep of history, our triumphs and 
our struggles.
 I love the United States of America. I consider it the 
privilege of my career to help preserve its treasures and serve 
the American people.
 I am grateful for the chance to answer your questions 
today. Thank you.
 Mr. Burchett. Thank you.
 I now recognize Mr. Gonzalez for his opening statement.

 STATEMENT OF MR. MIKE GONZALEZ

 E PLURIBUS UNUM SENIOR FELLOW

 KATHRYN AND SHELBY CULLOM DAVIS INSTITUTE

 FOR NATIONAL SECURITY AND FOREIGN POLICY

 THE HERITAGE FOUNDATION

 Mr. Gonzalez. Chairman, Ranking Member, Members of this 
Committee, thank you for the opportunity to testify.
 Following election day 2024, Thomas Frank published an op-
ed in The New York Times suitably titled, ``The Elites Had It 
Coming.'' Here is what Frank, who is a Liberal, wrote:
 ``Everyone has a moment when he first realized that Donald 
Trump might well return, and here is mine. It was back in March 
during a visit to the Smithsonian's National Portrait Gallery 
when I happened to read a text beside an old painting. It 
described the westward advance of the United States as `settler 
colonialism.' I knew instantly where this Nation was going.
 ``Some curator at one of the most exalted institutions had 
decided to use morally loaded academic keyword to address a 
visitor to the museum, say a family from the Midwest, and teach 
them a lesson about American wickedness,'' unquote.
 Teaching lessons about American wickedness is now the 
mission of the Smithsonian. It is the intent of the leadership 
and it is precisely what they train the staff to do. Secretary 
Lonnie Bunch III; Anthea Hartig, the Director of the National 
Museum of American History and one of today's witnesses; and 
other museum leaders have commandeered the world's largest 
museum complex and admit that they intend to use it as a tool 
of societal transformation.
 This is not why Americans entrusted these institutions to 
them. Culture is not passed in the bloodstream. National 
museums are repositories of a Nation's collective inheritance 
so that it can be transmitted to future generations.
 However, the Smithsonian's leadership has subverted this 
mission. Under Dr. Hartig, the History Museum has erased two 
words from the mission statement. The first is ``history'' 
itself. The word ``history'' had to go because Dr. Hartig 
preferred the museum to be, quote, ``very future-facing.''
 The other word that disappeared in the new mission 
statement was ``America'' itself. Director Hartig said the term 
``America'' should include, quote, ``the entirety of the 
Americas, not just our part of North America.'' She also said 
that loving America is complicated.
 Dr. Hartig, the Director of the National Museum of American 
History, has deconstructed the museum's mission statement to 
borrow terms of the post-modernists who clearly guide her work.
 We are here today, as you said, because on July 4, the 
White House released the devastating report focusing on Anthea 
Hartig's museum and the agenda that she pushes.
 Read the report and you will find that it is not just post-
modernism that guides the leadership. They see the world in 
terms of power dynamics--who has dominance and how to wrest it 
from them by dismantling the American narrative. This is deeply 
Marxist and Gramscian.
 In fact, the action toolkit that leadership used to 
indoctrinate staff at the Smithsonian for years even quotes 
approvingly from the works of the Frankfurt School's critical 
theorist, Herbert Macuse. You can understand why Bunch began 
his tenure by tying the institution to two ideological and 
destructive movements: the 1619 Project and Black Lives Matter.
 Black Lives Matter (BLM)'s main leader had made clear in 
2019 that the group's goal was to, quote, ``keep dismantling 
the organizing principle of this society,'' unquote. Yet, in 
July 2020, as the country was burning, Lonnie Bunch wrote that 
he saw a moment of promise and possibility. Bunch said that the 
Smithsonian would legitimize the 1619 Project, except that 
historians from both sides of the spectrum decried the shoddy 
scholarship and inaccuracies of the 1619 Project.
 For ideological reasons, Lonnie Bunch put the Smithsonian's 
reputation at serious risk, and Director Hartig endorsed all of 
it, pledging to, quote, ``work to reframe the traditional 
celebratory narrative of U.S. history,'' unquote, to force a, 
quote, ``national reckoning.''
 National reckoning from a history museum? This erasure of 
American culture must end now. As Stanley Kurtz wrote last 
week, ``You can say that the economy and foreign policy are 
more important than these cultural battles. Over the long haul, 
however, that is simply not true,'' unquote.
 You need to clean house and relieve all Smithsonian 
leadership of their duties. Also, deauthorize the yet-to-be-
built Latino and women's museums, which will no doubt become 
two more incubators of anti-American grievances. We can see 
this in the precursor exhibits that they have had.
 Loving America is not complicated. Dr. Hartig is wrong. I 
implore you to do your jobs.
 Thank you for your attention.
 Mr. Burchett. Thank you, sir.
 Dr. Spalding.

 STATEMENT OF DR. MATTHEW SPALDING, PH.D.

 KIRBY PROFESSOR IN CONSTITUTIONAL GOVERNMENT

 DEAN OF THE VAN ANDEL GRADUATE SCHOOL

 OF GOVERNMENT

 HILLSDALE COLLEGE

 Dr. Spalding. Thank you, Chairman Burchett, Ranking Member 
Stansbury, Members of the Committee.
 The National Museum of American History is one of the 
country's greatest treasures. It contains some of the most 
iconic artifacts of American history: Jefferson's writing desk, 
Washington's uniform, the great American flag that inspired the 
National Anthem. But it no longer provides the story that makes 
those objects intelligible.
 Indeed, the National Museum of American History is no 
longer the Nation's museum of American history. White House 
Domestic Policy Report ``Saving America's Story'' catalogs in 
great detail, over 160 pages and 522 footnotes, the many 
controversial and objectionable displays at the museum, but 
those details are evidence of a larger transgression.
 The real crime here, premeditated and followed through, is 
that America's story, the well-established narrative of main 
characters and key events long at the center of American self-
understanding, has been so reframed, jettisoned, decentered, 
deconstructed, and problematized that it no longer exists in 
any recognizable form.
 America's story has been replaced by an altogether new and 
controversial approach defined by post-modern theories that see 
history as processes of oppressive power struggles and use 
history as a tool to encourage social transformation. Now, that 
might be an interesting abstract discourse for the faculty 
lounge, but it should not be the rubric for the Nation's 
Smithsonian museum.
 The report concludes, rightly in my opinion, that the 
museum has become subject to institutional capture. That is the 
big picture, the forest we should not miss for all the trees. 
But do not take my word for it. The current director has said 
that at the National Museum of American History, we work to 
reframe the traditional celebratory narrative of U.S. history.
 The Center for Restorative History at the museum describes 
its work as systemic intervention intended to transform the 
national historical narrative and restructure institutional 
priorities.
 The museum's mission has been changed. Its previous mission 
was to explore the infinite richness and complexity of American 
history to help people understand the past. Its new mission is 
to empower people to create a more just and compassionate 
future by exploring the complexity of our past. As was noted, 
American and history are both gone, replaced by our past, and 
understanding is replaced by empowerment.
 This is not a history based on established facts and known 
reality. Indeed, it is not history at all. This is the very 
definition of an ideology, a systematic framework for 
interpreting society, challenging the social order, and 
instigating political and social action.
 This is not the purpose of the National Museum of American 
History. It is not the mission of the Smithsonian. It is not 
Congress' legislative intent, and it is not what taxpayers 
should be subsidizing to the tune of a billion dollars a year.
 A National Museum of American History should tell the 
American national story. It should present the facts of 
history, what actually happened, as accurately as possible and 
with minimal present-day bias. American's history belongs 
neither to Liberals nor Conservatives. It belongs, as we noted, 
to the American people. It should be told, warts and all, so 
that visitors understand the basic chronological narrative and 
see how the Nation got to where it is today.
 Nothing integral to that history should be erased or 
whitewashed. But social transformation should not be the 
objective. The National Museum of American History should tell 
the story of a Nation and a people driven to overcome injustice 
and live up to its heritage. A story of imperfection but also 
overwhelming accomplishment, of tragedies but also great 
triumphs, of hardship but also heroism.
 Over the course of our history, Americans have made 
choices, taken actions, sacrificed, corrected flaws, made a 
more perfect union, and struggled to live up to those 
principles. The outcome was never foreknown, but there remains 
a certain nobility about it.
 A healthy attachment to this country is neither blind to 
its flaws nor fanatical in believing that America is the source 
of all good. Nevertheless, each generation should be equipped 
with the knowledge of America's principles and history, a 
reverence for their liberties, and reflective love of their 
country. That patriotism must be strong enough and 
unsentimental enough to coexist with criticism, dissent, 
disappointment, and opposition. But it is love all the same. 
Without the civic foundation supplied by the reflective 
patriotism of a self-governing people, a republic will perish.
 A museum focused on claims of systematic oppression teaches 
national self-loathing. Why should taxpayers subsidize a museum 
that teaches contempt for their country and reframes its past 
to serve ideological purposes? Such a regime is not worthy of a 
great country, should not receive the imprimatur of Congress, 
and is unfit to shape the minds and hearts of the American 
people.
 Thank you.
 Mr. Burchett. Thank you, Dr. Spalding.
 Dr. Blight.

 STATEMENT OF DR. DAVID BLIGHT, PH.D.

 (MINORITY WITNESS)

 STERLING PROFESSOR OF HISTORY, YALE UNIVERSITY

 Dr. Blight. Thank you, Mr. Chairman and Madam Ranking 
Member and Members of the Committee. It is a very special 
privilege as a historian to have this opportunity to defend 
one's craft.
 As historians, we often dwell in the past, and 
professionally we should. But in the spring of 2025, with 
President Trump's executive order, Restoring Truth and Sanity 
to American History, and now with the White House's report, 
``Saving America's Story,'' the President has come storming 
into our work lives with vengeance, and we welcome the 
challenge. The President is inherently interwoven with the 
past.
 The White House now believes it should pronounce on the 
nature of history and the presentation of the Nation's 
treasures at the Smithsonian. The recent report by the White 
House Domestic Policy Council is nothing less than a 
declaration of political war on the historians' profession, as 
well as on the freedom and curiosity of anyone who reads or 
visits museums. In other words, President Trump has declared 
war on free minds and free education.
 Historians are not voices of the state. We are keepers of 
memory, and at our best, we are storytellers with trained 
imaginations. And yet, they declare with such certainty what 
forms of--and these are the words of the report--heritage, 
destiny, subtle truths and, indeed, stories that the 
Smithsonian should instill, one of the report's favorite verbs, 
in the minds of the public.
 Historians are now fighting back in the interest of 
scholarly history well-told for the broadest possible public. 
Ours is a beautiful and ancient craft, essential for any 
society's need for self-understanding. We are equipped with a 
host of modern methods but guided ethically by very old rules 
that no authoritarian political project ought to be allowed to 
profane.
 A historian reads, listens, searches, measures, imagines 
his or her way into and through all manner of evidence, facts, 
sometimes cleared, sometimes slanted every which way. We 
examine, read, accumulate, sift, study these modes of evidence 
with, hopefully, empathy and humility. Then we rise up from all 
our data and our sources and all manner of context and fashion 
all this into a story, into narrative, in order to inspire and 
take our audiences somewhere. And once we get them there, we 
are bound by our craft to make an argument about why this all 
happened and why it matters.
 People often comment on how Trumpism would like to return 
us to some version of the 1950s when America was great. In this 
report, they have transparently done just that. The report is 
rooted explicitly in the cold war of the 1950s.
 In the founding of the National Museum of American History, 
its legislation and dedication speeches, the founding words and 
sentiments understandably breathed the rhetoric of cold war 
triumphalism. How could it have been otherwise?
 The report offers no context for what might have invoked 
such expressions. The Soviet achievement of the hydrogen bomb, 
Sputnik, the Korean war, the Cuban Missile Crisis, the march on 
Washington, and the assassination of President Kennedy. Had the 
Domestic Policy Council consulted trained historians, they 
might have provided some context.
 They might also have consult with Edward R. Murrow's famous 
commentary in 1954, the year after the museum was conceived, on 
Joseph McCarthy and his assaults on free speech. ``We can deny 
our heritage and our history,'' said Morrow, ``but we cannot 
escape responsibility for the result.'' Erase McCarthyism, and 
it will come back. Erase any other 50 difficult aspects of 
American history, they will come back.
 Triumphalist history cannot tolerate nuance, ambiguity, 
complexity, but they are lifeblood for real historians. Also, 
in a deep cold war context, James Baldwin wrote in an essay 
entitled--also 1962--``As Much Truth as One Can Bear,'' that 
the problem with the way Americans approach history is that--
quoting him--``words are mostly used to cover the sleeper but 
not to wake him up.''
 We do not write woke history, whatever that is, but we do 
try to awaken citizens. In recent decades, we sowed the wind 
with new kinds of history. Here comes the whirlwind.
 If we are not careful, we will end up with what the great 
writer Toni Morrison called statist history, and it will create 
what she called sanctioned ignorance. That is what is at risk.
 Thank you.
 Mr. Burchett. Thank you, sir.
 Without objection, my buddy, Representative Don Beyer of 
Virginia, has waived on the Subcommittee for purpose of 
questioning witnesses at today's hearing.
 And is Mr. Burlison--he is not here? Okay.
 I now recognize myself for 5 minutes of questions.
 Chairlady Hartig, is that what we call you, or Director? 
Director or doctor?
 Ms. Stansbury. Doctor.
 Mr. Burchett. You are a doctor? Okay. You have got Director 
up there. Doctor. I will call you Doctor.
 Dr. Hartig. I am a director and a doctor.
 Mr. Burchett. You earned it. I will give you the title, how 
about that? One time I made the mistake of calling a coach 
Mister, and he reminded me he was coach. So, you earned that 
title, and you get it.
 I do appreciate your constant land acknowledgments that 
were in the film. I am wondering, have you ever planned on 
deeding any of your personal property or property of the 
Smithsonian to any of these Tribes?
 Dr. Hartig. I do not believe that is pertinent to the 
conversation, sir.
 Mr. Burchett. Well, I mean, you say that every time you 
open your meetings, apparently, and I was just curious, of that 
acknowledgment, if that was something you were planning on 
doing.
 Should the American History Museum be the site that focuses 
in on what we have in common, the shared national heritage of 
great ideals and revolutionary events, or focus on what you 
deemed the issue of the day, which are race, identity, gender, 
and sexuality? Ma'am?
 Dr. Hartig. Yes, sir. At the National Museum of American 
History, we strive to create a museum where our visitors will 
be inspired by the collections, programs, and exhibitions, and 
they will choose what they each will do to keep our American 
democracy strong and vibrant, and they will play that chosen 
part with passion. That is our hope.
 Mr. Burchett. Okay. I do think that most Americans would 
disagree with you on what the most important issues are.
 How did the museum determine those core issues of the day?
 Dr. Hartig. So, the Smithsonian and the museum are 
committed to rigorous fact-based museum-quality experiences and 
to tell the full and rich story of America in a way that 
enlightens and welcomes every visitor. We use historical 
evidence, competing perspectives, and acknowledge enduring 
debates, so that visitors can understand how we have wrestled 
with democracy and citizenship and liberty and national 
identity.
 So, in our work to document the stories of all Americans 
throughout time, we really do hope that everyone who comes in 
can see themselves reflected.
 Mr. Burchett. Okay. Gender and sexuality are highlighted by 
your museum. The poster behind me shows an exhibit called 
Entertainment Nation on display now.
 Do you think these exhibits behind me are appropriate for 
children?
 Dr. Hartig. So, I recognize some of the images from 
Entertainment Nation and from, I think, some other sources. But 
let me, I think, tell you what I think is most important----
 Mr. Burchett. Ma'am, you have pictures of bondage, you have 
some overtly sexual things up there, you have transgender 
folks. I assume that is what they are. And some--I do not care 
who it is. I do not care who it is.
 Ms. Stansbury. You do not know who RuPaul is?
 Mr. Burchett. Not a fan, I can tell you that. But in 
another exhibit, a six year old girl asks why she does not have 
male genitalia.
 Do you really think that content is appropriate for 
children? I mean, do you think little girls have penises? I 
mean, let us get to the basics of this. Do you think that is 
appropriate?
 Dr. Hartig. So, sir, I believe the exhibition and project 
you are referring to is Girlhood (It's Complicated), which was 
a temporary exhibit in our museum that closed I believe in 
2023.
 Mr. Burchett. Ma'am, I did not ask you that. I asked you, 
do you think it is appropriate?
 Dr. Hartig. So, in that exhibit, sir, with permission of 
the author, we shared a 13-year-old's diary, which I believe is 
what you are discussing. And in that diary, they wrote about 
sleepovers and Latin class and math exams----
 Mr. Burchett. Ma'am, do you think that is appropriate?
 Dr. Hartig [continuing]. And also their--also their----
 Mr. Burchett. I appreciate this. We are limited on time, 
ma'am. Do you think that is appropriate? Do you think that is 
appropriate for a child to see? Yes or no?
 Dr. Hartig. I understand your question, sir, but----
 Mr. Burchett. No, you do not. You are not answering. You 
are just running on, ma'am. And I appreciate your hospitality, 
but the reality is you are not answering the questions.
 You are funded by taxpayers, and the taxpayers would like 
to know, is that appropriate?
 Dr. Hartig. So, sir, Girlhood (It's Complicated) was not 
designed for children. It had a label in the beginning of the 
exhibition that shared with parents about some of the topics 
that would be covered, and we do that with exhibitions that we 
think kind of need that help. So, parents then can come and 
look at objects----
 Mr. Burchett. All right. Well, thank you, ma'am. I 
understand you are not going to answer it, and I am going to 
run out of time.
 But given some of your previous comments, including America 
was founded based on the supremacy of White men, loving America 
is very complicated, America's 250th anniversary is worth 
problemicizing, why should you--do you think you should 
continue leading the National Museum of American History?
 Dr. Hartig. It is the honor of my career to serve as the 
Elizabeth MacMillan Director of the National Museum of American 
History.
 Mr. Burchett. Thank you, ma'am. We are out of time.
 Dr. Hartig. Thank you, sir.
 Mr. Burchett. All right. Next, Mr. Lynch from 
Massachusetts.
 Mr. Lynch. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
 First of all, I want to thank the witnesses for attending 
and to help the Committee with its work.
 I would like to level set this hearing, though. So, I am 
going to ask you as--in this discussion about our history.
 Dr. Hartig, who won the 2020 Presidential election?
 Please, I only have so much time. Is that a tough question?
 Dr. Hartig. Good morning, sir. No, it is not a tough 
question. Joseph R. Biden won the election, with the electoral 
college votes.
 Mr. Lynch. Great. Mr. Gonzalez?
 Mr. Gonzalez. Biden was President from 2021 to 2020----
 Mr. Lynch. Who won the election, sir? I am just trying to 
test where you are coming from.
 Mr. Gonzalez. Biden won the election.
 Mr. Lynch. Excuse me?
 Mr. Gonzalez. Biden won the election.
 Mr. Lynch. Okay. Dr. Spalding?
 Dr. Spalding. Joseph Biden.
 Mr. Lynch. Thank you.
 Dr. Blight?
 Dr. Blight. Joe Biden and Kamala Harris.
 Mr. Lynch. Okay. Great. Thank you.
 So, you are all keenly interested in preserving American 
history. I heard from all of you that you care about the facts, 
the evidence, the narrative.
 You know, as an Irish Catholic from Boston, I was in the 
third grade when John F. Kennedy was assassinated. And the nuns 
in our school made sure we understood everything about JFK's 
life. You know, a lot of people do not realize he is the only 
President to ever receive the Purple Heart because of his 
heroism in the Solomon Islands during the Second World War.
 And, importantly, he and Jacqueline Kennedy were the 
principal founders of the Kennedy Center for the Performing 
Arts. And much of the drive came from Jacqueline, to be honest 
with you. But the President and the First Lady raised all the 
funding for the Kennedy Center for the Performing Arts.
 And in his life, you know, and at the end of his life, 
President Kennedy sacrificed everything, everything for this 
country. And you know where I am going with this.
 The current President came in, having nothing to do with 
the establishment of that institution, and put his name above 
John F. Kennedy's on the Kennedy Center for the Performing 
Arts. As an Irish Catholic from South Boston, that was stolen 
valor. That was stolen valor. He had nothing to do with that, 
and it was distortion of history.
 To someone who visited that for the first time, they would 
not know, they would not know the history of that building and 
the fact that it is the only building in the United States 
Capital that honors Kennedy's memory and his legacy. Kennedy 
sacrificed everything. You know, he inspired me to get into 
politics.
 Dr. Blight, let me ask you, is distorting that and that 
stolen valor, renaming that building, changing the history of 
that building with no basis for doing so, is that a distortion 
of our history as well?
 Dr. Blight. Of course it is. Erase it--of course it is. 
Erase it, and it will come back.
 On that day, I was in Mr. Baron's ninth grade civics class 
when he went to the door to get the information that Kennedy 
had been shot. And he addressed the class to tell us the 
President was dead. I will never forget that.
 Mr. Lynch. Yes.
 Dr. Blight. And what a great museum does, what a good class 
does, what a historic site does is it simply inspires a sense 
of history, why the past matters. You could not have been in a 
schoolroom that day and not had a sense of history. It 
certainly was part of mine.
 Mr. Lynch. Thank you.
 You know, I understand, you know, sometimes political 
correctness can act as censorship or it can distort--it can 
distort the history and, you know, the way we view the world. 
And I understand that. I understand it.
 And I understand some of the pushback is about perhaps the 
censorship that is present in political correctness, but then 
the facts are the facts. Dear god, you know, the President, you 
know, continually goes back to 2020 election to say that he won 
it, and we should stand together and reject that crap.
 Thank you. I yield back.
 Mr. Burchett. Thank you, sir.
 Yield to Mr. Cloud from Texas.
 Mr. Cloud. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
 Director Hartig, I visited, as I have many times, the 
Museum of American History. And what I think I find most 
troubling is the fact that you can do a lot with real history. 
And what is concerning is the distortion, I think, of the truth 
and in the context.
 Just, for example, the American Democracy: A Great Leap of 
Faith; you know, this exhibit, you turn the corner and the 
first thing you see is this. It is a wall and the two words, of 
course, that pop out are ``privilege'' and ``slavery.'' Is that 
a part of American history, sure. Should it be covered up, no.
 But what makes America unique and exceptional is not, for 
example, the fact that slavery was a part of our history. It 
was a part of almost every Nation's history. What makes America 
unique is the fact that we worked to overcome it and were 
leading on the world stage in getting rid of it.
 And as I walk through--you mentioned as you walk through 
the doors, you will see Thomas Jefferson's desk, you will see, 
you know, Abraham Lincoln's top hat. And those are in the 
museum, yes, but that is not what you see when you walk in. 
What you see is exhibits to social reform. You will see 
displays in the end caps or the display--the glass displays on 
the side of pictures of drag show or pro-abortion language and 
all these different kind of things.
 I am curious--you know, I was really surprised, as we are 
celebrating the 250th anniversary of our Nation, how did we 
come up with the 250th anniversary? Like, what are we 
celebrating in the 250th anniversary?
 Dr. Hartig. Thank you, sir. And thank you for your visit. 
And we have hosted, I think since January, 25 Senators and 
House Representatives----
 Mr. Cloud. Ma'am, I know your intention today is to 
filibuster the entire time.
 There is a particular document that was signed on July 4, 
1776, for which we celebrate. Could you?
 Dr. Hartig. Absolutely, sir. So, when you come into the 
museum right now----
 Mr. Cloud. That would be the Declaration of Independence, 
ma'am.
 Dr. Hartig. Yes, sir. And so, when you----
 Mr. Cloud. I was surprised to find that in the Museum of 
American History, on the 250th year of our anniversary, there 
is not an exhibit for the Declaration of Independence. Now, 
sure, there is Jefferson's desk, and it takes up a very small 
space in a--but you would think, I went through the museum 
looking for the words ``We, the People,'' and you would think 
when you walked in, that would be the biggest, boldest thing, 
especially on the 250th anniversary.
 The idea of E Pluribus Unum, where out of many become one, 
that is what makes America unique. And yet, your take seems to 
be to take the uniqueness, the unity of America and to try to 
divide us up into different things.
 Who made the decision not to have a display for the 
Declaration of Independence on our 250th anniversary?
 Dr. Hartig. So, sir, I am going to go maybe back a few 
beats and answer, I think, your first question of the four.
 So, the Declaration of Independence, of course, signed and 
ratified on July 4 in 1776 in Philadelphia, appears on a full 
wall in the Price of Freedom, our history of military on our 
third floor, eastern wing. It is a blow-up size.
 Mr. Cloud. Yes. It is a standard exhibit, it is there in 
the back.
 Dr. Hartig. And then it is in the--it is in the--if I may, 
sir.
 Mr. Cloud. But you have to walk through a bunch of junk to 
get there.
 Dr. Hartig. No, not exactly.
 Mr. Cloud. And as a matter of fact, right now you would 
think----
 Dr. Hartig. No. I am happy to answer your question, sir.
 Mr. Cloud. This would have been a great time to pull out 
all the artifacts. I thought, let me look and try to find 
something on John Adams, you know. And I am not saying it is 
not there, but it is hard to find.
 John Adams; John Jay; Caesar Rodney; we can talk about 
Crispus Attucks; Phillis Wheatley, the poet laureate of the 
American Revolution; all these different kind of things.
 What would you say is the most influential book in American 
history?
 Dr. Hartig. So, if I may go back to your second question.
 Mr. Cloud. What would you say is the most influential book 
in American history?
 Dr. Hartig. May I go back to your second question?
 Mr. Cloud. You can answer the one I just asked you.
 Dr. Hartig. Well, I--you know, as a historian, it is 
probably hard to choose which is the most influential book in 
the United States history. But I can tell you what is the most 
influential document, and that is the Declaration of 
Independence, which appears in different ways at least----
 Mr. Cloud. Most influential book.
 Dr. Hartig [continuing]. Four or five times----
 Mr. Cloud. The Founders quoted one book more than any other 
book.
 Dr. Hartig. The Founders were very well read. And as you 
know, Thomas Jefferson's library became the core of the Library 
of Congress.
 Mr. Cloud. Yes. And that book would have been the Bible. 
Second, would have been ``Common Sense'' by Thomas Paine. Now, 
I went to the bookstore. I could not find Common Sense in the 
bookstore.
 I did find, you know, these books. Here is George Takei--it 
rhymes with decay--a book in which he talks about, you know, 
one young man lusting after another. I am not sure why this is 
in our American History Museum, in the kids' section, mind you.
 That, you think, is important to have in the American 
History Museum?
 Dr. Hartig. So, George Takei, as you know, the actor from 
Star Trek, was incarcerated during World War II as the result 
of Executive Order 9066, and his children's book, I think, is a 
beautiful story.
 Mr. Cloud. Who made the decision to put that in there, but 
not Common Sense?
 Dr. Hartig. Especially with Senator Alan Simpson.
 Thank you, sir.
 Mr. Burchett. Mr. Subramanyam.
 Mr. Subramanyam. Thank you, Mr. Chair.
 So, we are here for a hearing entitled, ``Rewriting 
American History: Examining the Smithsonian's Efforts to 
Reshape the Past.'' And this was in response to a Domestic 
Policy Council report. The Domestic Policy Council is a part of 
the White House.
 And what is interesting is that, I was looking back, this 
seems to be one of the only Domestic Policy Council standalone 
reports this year, in fact, perhaps this Administration. The 
only one I could find, was the last one they did on the 
national report on paper straws.
 And so, this is how our Domestic Policy Council is spending 
its time, at a time where we have higher costs across the 
board, where we have a war going on in the Middle East, and 
where we have people hurting every single day, losing their 
access to healthcare, losing their access to food assistance 
because this Domestic Policy Council recommended it be cut. 
That is where we are right now.
 And I think it is really important--Mr. Gonzalez, I want to 
go back to a quote. You quoted Stanley Kurtz in your opening, 
saying, ``You can say that the economy and foreign policy are 
more important than these cultural battles. Over the long haul, 
however, that is simply not true.''
 Do you stand by that, that these cultural battles are more 
important than our economy and our foreign policy?
 Mr. Gonzalez. Oh, absolutely, yes. I think it was Lincoln 
who said no soldier--no foreign solider can take a drink from 
the Mississippi----
 Mr. Subramanyam. So, you think that this particular hearing 
on where the Smithsonian is putting Thomas Jefferson's desk is 
more important than people facing higher utility costs?
 Mr. Gonzalez. That is not what the report is focused on.
 Mr. Subramanyam. Well, that is what you just said.
 Mr. Gonzalez. No, no, no. The report is not----
 Mr. Subramanyam. You said that the cultural battles are 
more important----
 Mr. Gonzalez. Yes.
 Mr. Subramanyam [continuing]. To you and more important 
than the higher cost of living that Americans are facing today.
 Mr. Gonzalez. Over the long-term, they are. And it is not 
about where----
 Mr. Subramanyam. Interesting. Because I----
 Mr. Gonzalez [continuing]. Where Thomas Jefferson's desk 
is.
 Mr. Subramanyam [continuing]. I think the President would 
agree with you. I think this Administration would agree with 
you, and that is how they have acted.
 So, let us just talk about the report since everyone wants 
to be here to talk about, it seems. The report actually had a 
lot of things that were not true. For instance, the opening of 
it talked about how the Smithsonian was not speaking enough 
about America 250, but I looked at the Smithsonian's website, 
and the first thing it talked about was America 250.
 Director Hartig, did the Smithsonian talk about America 
250?
 Dr. Hartig. Yes, sir. We have been planning for years to 
celebrate the semiquincentennial, and it is an honor to do so.
 Mr. Subramanyam. The report complained that Thomas 
Jefferson's writing desk and George Washington's uniform were 
not on prominent display.
 Were they on display at the American History Museum?
 Dr. Hartig. Yes, sir. And then, we are honored that the 
Jefferson's writing desk went over to the Smithsonian Castle to 
be part of Secretary Bunch's American Aspirations exhibition.
 Mr. Subramanyam. And then it said it did not have quotes 
from the Declaration of Independence. I guess they were 
nitpicking about one specific sentence.
 Are quotes from the Declaration of Independence on full 
display at the museum?
 Dr. Hartig. Yes, sir.
 Mr. Subramanyam. Okay. So, it seems like it was not a very 
good report either. But I looked back, and by their admission, 
it was a month's long report involving multiple staff.
 Mr. Gonzalez, how much money do you think that report cost 
the American taxpayers? Because you are at The Heritage 
Foundation, so I know you care a lot about American taxpayers.
 Mr. Gonzalez. I have no idea.
 Mr. Subramanyam. You did not ask about how much the report 
actually cost? No one looked into that?
 Mr. Gonzalez. I think it would be hard to assess----
 Mr. Subramanyam. It would be hard to assess? Okay.
 Mr. Gonzalez [continuing]. Given all the input that went 
into the report, how much it costs.
 Mr. Subramanyam. I asked AI. They said probably millions, 
potentially, yes.
 Mr. Gonzalez. Okay.
 Mr. Subramanyam. Because of outside----
 Mr. Gonzalez. I would advise against using AI, however, 
Congressman. It hallucinates a lot.
 Mr. Subramanyam. Yes, okay. I had to ask somebody because 
you did not have the answer to the----
 Mr. Gonzalez. Yes. It hallucinates a lot.
 Mr. Subramanyam. Yes. Sounds good. Well, the other thing, 
do you think there should be mentions of Trump's impeachment at 
the museum?
 Mr. Gonzalez. Sure. I mean, yes. It happened. It is 
history.
 Mr. Subramanyam. Do you think there should be a wing of the 
museum dedicated to President Trump?
 Mr. Gonzalez. I have no idea. I am not a curator. I do not 
know whether there should be a wing dedicated to President 
Trump.
 Mr. Subramanyam. Dr. Spalding, do you think there should be 
a wing in the museum dedicated to President Trump?
 Dr. Spalding. I do not think there should be a wing 
dedicated to any one President.
 Mr. Subramanyam. Okay. Interesting. Even George Washington?
 Dr. Spalding. I think in the context of what he did in 
terms of the American Revolution, the Revolution, that kind of 
thing, yes.
 Mr. Subramanyam. I think what is actually happening, it is 
not that you do not want ideology in the museum; it is that you 
want your ideology in the museum. And you want the museum to 
reflect your values, your specific views on things and not the 
views of what actually happened, which was the facts.
 And so that is what we want, is we want the facts in the 
museum. We want people to come away with patriotism, because 
they will if you show them the facts of this great country.
 Dr. Spalding. I completely agree.
 Mr. Subramanyam. And so, I applaud for everything that has 
happened in this first 250 years of America, the good and the 
bad. The bad would not have led to as good as what we have 
gotten.
 Dr. Spalding. One hundred percent.
 Mr. Subramanyam. And I look forward to the next 250 years. 
I look forward to teaching my kids and grandkids the facts.
 I yield back.
 Dr. Spalding. We agree.
 Mr. Burchett. Thank you, sir.
 Ms. Mace from South Carolina.
 Ms. Mace. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
 Dr. Hartig, how many children visited the National Museum 
of American History last year?
 Dr. Hartig. Hi. Good morning, ma'am. Since----
 Ms. Mace. Answer the question. How many kids?
 Dr. Hartig. Good morning, ma'am. Since we do not charge, we 
do not have that----
 Ms. Mace. Are you the Director of the museum?
 Dr. Hartig. I am, ma'am.
 Ms. Mace. Okay. And you do not know how--how many people 
visited the museum last year?
 Dr. Hartig. Two million.
 Ms. Mace. How many of those were children?
 Dr. Hartig. Ma'am, I do not have those----
 Ms. Mace. You do not even know. Okay.
 Dr. Hartig [continuing]. Exact figures for you, but I am 
happy to take that back.
 Ms. Mace. Do you agree that educating children about 
American history is a core duty of the museum? Yes or no?
 Dr. Hartig. Absolutely.
 Ms. Mace. And are images of sexual fetishes appropriate for 
children? Yes or no?
 Dr. Hartig. So, ma'am----
 Ms. Mace. It is a simple yes or no. Is sexual imagery, 
provocative sexual imagery appropriate for kids? Yes or no?
 Dr. Hartig. Ma'am, we strive to represent all Americans----
 Ms. Mace. You strive to represent queer, pedophiles, 
indoctrination grooming of kids at an American history museum, 
and it sounds like you are proud of it. You will not answer the 
questions, probably because you are ashamed. And as a woman, I 
really cannot believe you will sit here today and you cannot 
even admit that sexual imagery like this behind me--they tell 
me, my staff tells me, this little trinket around the penis, 
this is bondage, discipline, sadism, masochism (BDSM). In a 
setting where children are walking through? That is disgusting.
 Like, what kind of message are you trying to send to kids 
with BDSM imagery? What are you trying to tell kids? Are you 
sexualizing children? Is that what your motive is for the 
museum? Why?
 Dr. Hartig. So, that specific two-piece----
 Ms. Mace. Do you know how many kids get raped by adults 
every year in this country? This kind of thing, when you are 
dressing men up as women, drag queens, you are putting this 
kind of crap in front of kids, sexualizes them and makes them 
more vulnerable to people that want to rape them or abuse them, 
or when we have men in women settings that want to do harm to 
women.
 You talked about the Girlhood exhibit, and you did not want 
to answer the Chairman's questions earlier, but it was a diary 
featuring a six year old--a six year old--that reads, 
``everybody was talking about getting boobs and their period. I 
pray to God every night for my penis to grow.''
 Director Hartig, can you tell me--look me in the eye and 
tell me that that belongs in an exhibit for kids?
 Dr. Hartig. Ma'am, Girlhood (It's Complicated) was not an 
exhibit designed for children.
 Ms. Mace. I know. You had the little disclaimer thing, 
which is sort of a----
 Dr. Hartig. The diary was of a 13-year-old going through 
puberty.
 Ms. Mace. Okay. Do you think that is an appropriate thing 
to put in an American history museum where there are children 
walking through? We are talking about American history.
 Dr. Hartig. Right. So, Girlhood (It's Complicated) is----
 Ms. Mace. Okay. I am moving on because you just--I do not 
know how much money you spent on getting prep for this hearing. 
They did a good job because you are filibustering and not 
answering a single question from a single Republican today.
 Do you believe that men can become women?
 Dr. Hartig. Ma'am, as the director of the museum, that is 
not relevant in this case.
 Ms. Mace. It is very relevant. You have got men dressed up 
as women, and you have them on displays in front of kids. Do 
you think men can become women? Yes or no?
 Dr. Hartig. So, RuPaul's Drag Race, which is the upper----
 Ms. Mace. It is a man. RuPaul is a man who dresses like a 
woman, literally.
 Dr. Hartig. Right. Correct.
 Ms. Mace. What is a woman, Dr. Hartig?
 Dr. Hartig. As a director and as a historian, it is not my 
opportunity----
 Ms. Mace. You sexualize the American History Museum, so 
this is a fair question. What is a woman?
 Dr. Hartig. So, at the museum----
 Ms. Mace. What is a woman?
 Dr. Hartig. We strive to represent and not categorize all 
Americans.
 Ms. Mace. Okay. I have another question for you. There is a 
glossary at the museum that informs visitors that while 
American culture traditionally recognizes two genders, other 
countries recognize three or more.
 So, enlighten me this morning. How many genders are there?
 Dr. Hartig. Ma'am, which glossary?
 Ms. Mace. Okay. This is a display, and it has a glossary 
that says other countries recognize three or more genders. So, 
I would like you to enlighten me today. You are the director of 
the American History Museum who has sexualized things in front 
of kids. I want to know--I want to ask you, how many genders 
are there?
 Dr. Hartig. So, first of all, I am happy to get back to 
you----
 Ms. Mace. How many?
 Dr. Hartig [continuing]. About the glossary.
 Ms. Mace. How many genders are there, and what are they?
 Dr. Hartig. I am not sure which glossary you are speaking 
of.
 Ms. Mace. Of course. I know that you do not. You knew 
exactly what this hearing was about today.
 One of your exhibits at the American History Museum says 
sometimes gender is not revealed at birth. So, when is gender 
revealed?
 Dr. Hartig. So----
 Ms. Mace. When was your gender revealed to you, Dr. Hartig?
 Dr. Hartig. I do not really think that is relevant to the 
conversation.
 Ms. Mace. It is relevant. You have a display at the 
American History Museum talking about gender is not always 
revealed at birth. So, when was your gender revealed?
 Dr. Hartig. So, since I am a Ph.D. and----
 Ms. Mace. I was not done yet, but I will yield back, Mr. 
Chairman. Thank you.
 Dr. Hartig. Thank you, Ms. Mace.
 Mr. Burchett. Mr. Walkinshaw.
 Mr. Walkinshaw. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
 I am actually glad we are having this hearing today of the 
Subcommittee on Government Efficiency because finally we have 
abandoned the pretense that this Subcommittee has anything to 
do with government efficiency. Just like Elon Musk's DOGE was 
not about efficiency--it was an ideological purge of the 
Federal Government--this assault on the Smithsonian has nothing 
to do with efficiency. It is an ideological effort. To quote 
Mr. Gonzalez, a cultural battle.
 But, let us go ahead and talk about rewriting history. Let 
us talk about it, because that is what the Trump Administration 
is doing as we speak.
 This is Jackie Robinson. Before he stepped onto Ebbets 
Field, he wore the uniform of the United States Army. He broke 
major league baseball's color barrier in 1947. He did not just 
transform a sport, he challenged one of the last great 
institutions of legalized segregation in America. He helped 
move our country closer to the promise that talent and 
character matter more than the color of your skin.
 I guess for President Trump's Department of Defense, he was 
part of the Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion (DEI) problem we 
have heard about today, because he got erased, removed from the 
website, canceled, restored only after public outcry.
 The Tuskegee Airmen flew more than 15,000 combat missions 
during World War II escorting American bombers over Europe. 
They did not just help defeat Nazi Germany. They helped to 
dismantle segregation in the U.S. Armed Forces.
 Somehow, they are also part of the DEI problem we have 
heard about today because they were erased. The Air Force 
removed a documentary on the Tuskegee Airmen from their course 
instruction.
 Navajo Code Talkers. Young Navajo marines developed an 
unbreakable battlefield code that Japanese forces could not 
crack. It helped American forces win some of the toughest 
battles in the Pacific, save countless American lives; also, 
apparently, part of the DEI problem because they got erased.
 Now, the Trump Administration and my Republican colleagues 
are focusing their anti-DEI erasure efforts on the Smithsonian. 
Last week they released this report we have discussed today 
saying the museum has been captured by, quote, ``extreme 
political activism.'' It is pretty extreme deleting Jackie 
Robinson.
 Why the report? Because the museum tells the full American 
story. It examines slavery alongside liberty. It discusses 
immigration alongside citizenship. It recognizes the struggle 
for civil rights alongside our founding ideals, and, yes, the 
flaws of our Founders. But according to this Administration, 
that is not patriotic.
 They erased Jackie Robinson, they erased the Tuskegee 
Airmen, they erased the Navajo Code Talkers, and now they want 
to take their big orange eraser to a proud American 
institution, the Smithsonian. We should reject this effort to 
erase our history because in America the truth has always been 
our strength. It is not a weakness, Mr. Gonzalez and Dr. 
Spalding.
 Dr. Blight, can you tell us the damage that is done when 
history, Jackie Robinson, Navajo Code Talkers, Tuskegee Airmen, 
is erased from websites, from course instructions? How does 
that hurt America?
 Dr. Blight. Well, if you want inspiration from history, you 
cannot start any better than this. Delete Jackie Robinson, and 
he will come back. His name was Hank Aaron, his name was Frank 
Robinson, his name was Bob Gibson, and I could name a thousand 
more. Good luck trying to delete anything that people really 
care about in our history. They are going to find out about it.
 And the fact that you can even delete it is something they 
can take, because they have some faith in institutions like the 
Smithsonian--which they love and want to go to--will bring that 
story to them.
 What is lost is curiosity, understanding. You know, our job 
as historians is to understand the dead. Sorry. You become 
relevant when you are dead. But the reason we want to 
understand the dead, is so that we can really understand the 
living. And to delete the dead because, somehow, they do not 
fit a category that we like in the present, is to soil the 
present.
 Mr. Walkinshaw. Thank you. I yield back.
 Mr. Burchett. Mr. Gill from Texas, you are recognized.
 Mr. Gill. Thank you, Mr. Chairman, and thank you for 
holding this hearing, and to the witnesses for taking the time 
to travel all the way out here.
 Director Hartig, thank you for being here. Would you say 
that the goal of history, even if it is not properly carried 
out, would you say that the goal of history is to be objective?
 Dr. Hartig. Thank you, sir, for the question. You know, I 
think that there are many goals of history and certainly as you 
collect, as we do, examine evidence, create scholarship----
 Mr. Gill. Is objectivity one of the goals of history?
 Dr. Hartig. We strive to be objective and nonpartisan and 
not based on any ideology.
 Mr. Gill. So, it is one of the goals. Doesn't that seem a 
little bit concerning? It certainly does to me, because as part 
of this White supremacy document that your organization has 
promoted, objectivity is a core and defining aspect of White 
supremacy culture.
 Do you think that it is the goal of the Smithsonian 
Institution to promote White supremacy culture?
 Dr. Hartig. Sir, do you mind sharing with me which 
document?
 Mr. Gill. White supremacy culture right here. This is part 
of the MASS Action Toolkit that your organization has promoted 
for several years now under your leadership.
 Are you promoting a White supremacy culture at the 
Smithsonian?
 Dr. Hartig. Am I promoting a White----
 Mr. Gill. Ma'am, is this a difficult question?
 Dr. Hartig. No, sir. I am just thinking about the MASS 
Action Toolkit. We did not develop it.
 But back to your question, no, we are not promoting any 
ideology.
 Mr. Gill. Does it concern you that your goal is 
objectivity--one of your goals is objectivity, and your MASS 
Action Toolkit references objectivity as a defining 
characteristic of White supremacy culture?
 Dr. Hartig. It is not our toolkit.
 Mr. Gill. It is your toolkit. You have been promoting it 
for quite some time.
 Dr. Hartig. We did not come up with the toolkit, sir.
 Mr. Gill. But you have been promoting it.
 Dr. Hartig. It is used as a reference, I believe, probably 
in 2019, 2020----
 Mr. Gill. Yes, under your leadership it has been used as a 
reference.
 Is Mickey Mouse racist?
 Dr. Hartig. Mickey Mouse is not racist.
 Mr. Gill. It is not racist. According to the Smithsonian 
Institution, one of your exhibits referenced Mickey Mouse as 
representing, quote, ``vestiges of longstanding traditions of 
blackface minstrelsy.''
 Would you describe that as racist?
 Dr. Hartig. No. The historical trajectory of the origins of 
Mickey Mouse tie directly to----
 Mr. Gill. So, Mickey Mouse is rooted in racism. Is that 
your testimony?
 Dr. Hartig. No, sir. It is rooted in minstrelsy.
 Mr. Gill. Minstrelsy. And you do not think the blackface 
minstrelsy is racist?
 Dr. Hartig. It has certain and obvious racial overtones 
that have been well documented and are----
 Mr. Gill. Do you think that that is problematic that Mickey 
Mouse also has those racial overtones?
 Dr. Hartig. It is not for me to determine what is 
problematic. It is determined to me what is accurate.
 Mr. Gill. Is that right?
 Dr. Hartig. Yes.
 Mr. Gill. Is it important to be polite?
 Dr. Hartig. Excuse me, sir?
 Mr. Gill. Is it important to be polite?
 Dr. Hartig. Yes, sir.
 Mr. Gill. Also interesting, because the same MASS Action 
Toolkit that your organization has been promoting references 
politeness as a defining characteristic of White supremacy 
culture.
 Ma'am, are you a White supremacist?
 Dr. Hartig. No, sir.
 Mr. Gill. You are not? Can you help me square why your 
organization says that being polite is part of being a White 
supremacist?
 Dr. Hartig. I am not exactly familiar with that passage of 
the MASS Action Toolkit, which is not one that we developed.
 Mr. Gill. I can show you the passage. It is right here.
 Dr. Hartig. I do not--pardon me?
 Mr. Gill. I said I just read you the passage from it.
 Dr. Hartig. And then your question was, sir?
 Mr. Gill. We are going to move on.
 What is Latina power?
 Dr. Hartig. What is Latino power?
 Mr. Gill. Latina power.
 Dr. Hartig. Latina power would be the forces derived from 
being a Latina.
 Mr. Gill. Do you think that it is appropriate for the 
Smithsonian Institution to sell Latina power paraphernalia? 
Hats, mugs, other things that say ``Latina Power''?
 Dr. Hartig. I believe that the merchandise our store sells 
tries to reflect----
 Mr. Gill. I am asking you if it is appropriate.
 Dr. Hartig [continuing]. Tries to reflect the richness of 
the communities.
 Mr. Gill. So, your testimony is that it is appropriate?
 Dr. Hartig. Those are your words, sir.
 Mr. Gill. I am asking you, is it appropriate to sell Latina 
power paraphernalia? It is a yes or no question.
 Dr. Hartig. I do not have control over what is sold in our 
stores.
 Mr. Gill. I am asking you if it is appropriate. I did not 
ask you if you have control over it. Is it appropriate?
 Dr. Hartig. I understood you, sir.
 Mr. Gill. Yes or no?
 Dr. Hartig. Again, we strive to represent all Americans, 
and including in our merchandise.
 Mr. Gill. Is it appropriate? Yes or no?
 Dr. Hartig. We strive to represent all Americans in our 
museums, including in our merchandise.
 Mr. Gill. Is that right?
 My time is up.
 Dr. Hartig. Thank you, sir.
 Mr. Burchett. Thank you, sir.
 Mr. Mfume of Maryland.
 Mr. Walkinshaw. Mr. Chairman, a UC request?
 Mr. Burchett. Yes.
 Mr. Walkinshaw. I ask unanimous consent to enter into the 
record a Newsweek article from March 19, 2025, titled, ``Jackie 
Robinson's Army History Deleted by Pentagon.''
 Mr. Burchett. So ordered.
 Anything else?
 Mr. Mfume, you are recognized.
 Mr. Mfume. Mr. Chairman, thank you very much. I only have 5 
minutes, so I am going to try to make the most out of it by 
making some very clear points.
 Black people across this country are outraged at what is 
happening now with these efforts to do away with the African 
American Museum and all of the Smithsonian. They are outraged 
because they have lived too many years, been through too many 
struggles, suffered too many bruises, and clearly have very, 
very, very little to show for that sojourn here in this 
country.
 I want to be real clear about this. If you erase it, we 
will replace it. It is that damn simple.
 We do not seem to learn. If anything, we should be looking 
at history to learn and to make sure that we are taking 
advantage of what we have learned.
 You know, it was Abraham Lincoln in 1848 who addressed his 
countrymen in Edwardsville, Illinois, and he said, and I quote, 
``When you have succeeded in dehumanizing the Negro; when you 
have put him down and made it but for him to be but as the 
beast of the fields; when you have extinguished his soul in 
this world and placed him where the ray of hope is blown out as 
in the darkness of the damned, are you quite sure,'' he asked, 
``that the demon you have roused will not one day turn and rend 
you.''
 He said, ``What constitutes the bulwark of our freedom and 
our independence? It is not,'' said Lincoln, ``our crown and 
battlements. It is not our armies and our navies. It is not our 
bristling seacoasts. For all those things are not our reliance 
against tyranny because they can all be turned against us 
without having made us weaker for the struggle.''
 ``Our reliance,'' he said, ``as Americans is in the love of 
liberty which God has planted deep within all of us regardless 
of how we look and where we come from.'' He said, ``our 
reliance is in the spirit of freedom which prides itself as the 
heritage of all men, in all lands everywhere.''
 And then he admonished, ``Destroy that spirit and you would 
have planted the seeds of despotism at your own doorstep. 
Ignore,'' he said, ``the chains of human bondage, and you 
prepare one day for your own limbs to wear them. Accustomed,'' 
he said, ``to trample on the rights of other people, and you 
would have lost the creative genius of your own American 
independence and as such will become the fit subjects of the 
first cunning tyrant who rises among you.''
 Sound familiar? History taught us and still teaches us that 
we cannot keep making the same mistakes.
 So, I know this is a big discussion about a lot of aspects 
about the museum. But I am here as a Black man who grew up in 
segregation, who was not allowed to go certain places, who 
drank from a water fountain that said ``colored,'' who found 
his mother and his father unable to do anything other than 
basic daywork. And if for no one else, if for them and their 
spirit and all the other nameless and faceless Black men in 
this country and Black women who made their bodies bridges, 
that some of us could get to the university, that some of us 
could get to a good job, that some of us could get to the 
United States, if for no other reason, I want this to go out 
loud and clear, and I am not speaking just on behalf of myself. 
I know that I speak on behalf of so many people who are not 
here today.
 We will not let you destroy that museum. No matter how long 
it takes, how many battles are required, how much effort is 
needed, we will not allow that to happen, unless you find a way 
to kill all of us and walk over our bodies to change history. 
That history is too sacred, it is too precious, and it will not 
be erased because, as I said, if you attempt to erase it, we 
will continue to replace it over and over and over again.
 I yield back, Mr. Chairman.
 Mr. Burchett. Thank you, Mr. Mfume.
 Mr. Burlison, you are recognized.
 Mr. Burlison. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
 Director Hartig, what do you believe is the core purpose of 
the National Museum of American History?
 Dr. Hartig. Thank you, sir, and good morning. The beauty, I 
think, of the museum is to truly take the over two million 
objects we have, put the best scholarship around them----
 Mr. Burlison. What is your mission? What is the core 
purpose?
 Dr. Hartig [continuing]. And to tell the richest story of 
America's past that we can.
 Our mission is to empower people to create a more just and 
compassionate future by preserving, sharing, and exploring the 
complexities of our past.
 Mr. Burlison. In your 2024 presentation, you said the 
museum changed its mission in part to help people get out of 
the America, quote/unquote, America First mentality.
 So, my question is, what is specifically wrong about the 
America First mentality?
 Dr. Hartig. So, we changed the mission, like most 
organizations and corporations do, when I came that we had an 
expired strategic plan, and we fitted a new mission.
 Mr. Burlison. Okay. Is your contention that you just 
changed it because you just needed to change it under your 
direction?
 Dr. Hartig. No. Most directors change it.
 Mr. Burlison. I am asking specifically, you made the 
statement that you have to get out of the, quote/unquote, 
America First mentality. What did you mean by that?
 Dr. Hartig. I am not sure which of my public appearances 
you are referring to, sir.
 Mr. Burlison. Director Hartig, let me ask you, are you 
America First?
 Dr. Hartig. I am a very proud American.
 Mr. Burlison. That is great to hear. Do you love America?
 Dr. Hartig. I love this country unconditionally.
 Mr. Burlison. That is great to hear. At one point you 
stated that loving America is very complicated.
 Let me ask you this. Recently we had visitors all over the 
globe for the World Cup. What I think is the common thread that 
we saw across all social media platforms was an astonishment 
and amazement of things that--preconceived ideas that they had 
about this country. Some of those preconceived ideas were that 
Americans were dangerous. That everywhere they would go, there 
would be shootings and people--you know, all of the crime that 
would occur. There were preconceived notions that Americans 
were all hostile and xenophobic, that Americans were--that 
everyone is living in poverty unless you are rich.
 Do you think--after this happened--what do you think caused 
the rest of the world to believe all of these ills about the 
United States of America, these falsehoods about this country?
 Dr. Hartig. You know, the World Cup was truly remarkable in 
terms of how it brought everyone together. I am unsure what 
they were using as their basis for that, those conclusions, 
sir.
 Mr. Burlison. Well, somewhere people are spreading false 
information about the United States, right? And you say you 
love this country, America's First. You are proud of America's 
history?
 Dr. Hartig. Absolutely, warts and all.
 Mr. Burlison. Okay. So, wouldn't it be nice if the rest of 
the world saw the history of the United States as being the 
country that led the world through economic prosperity? 
Particularly after World War II, with the Marshall Plan, led 
multiple nations out of prosperity.
 Dr. Hartig. Absolutely, sir. And in our Mars Hall of 
American Enterprise, which tells the amazing story of American 
business, they would see just that.
 Mr. Burlison. Wouldn't it be great if we had--if the rest 
of the world saw us as what we truly are, the one country that 
led the world and inspired them to eliminate slavery, to 
eliminate all of the genocides that happened?
 Dr. Hartig. Absolutely. And I think when they come to the 
museum, overwhelmingly, wherever they are from, you know, from 
Nashville, Tennessee, to Nome, Alaska, they come out, and they 
say they come out more inspired, more----
 Mr. Burlison. So, what was the origin of that? What was the 
origin of what created all of these great things that inspired 
the rest of the world, that lifted people out of poverty, that 
ended genocides, or at least inspired the world to end their 
genocides? What was the original precipice of that? What was 
the original beginning?
 Dr. Hartig. So, the revolutionary era, of course, with its 
brilliant founding documents, the Declaration of Independence, 
those two soaring paragraphs is the origin.
 Mr. Burlison. So, I think that what we are trying to 
compel--what I am trying to convey is that when the rest of the 
world is having a hard time with disinformation, there are 
enough negative things that are being said, you would think the 
one institution that would be trumpeting the great and 
wonderful things that this country has done, especially at a 
time where we are celebrating the 250th anniversary of this 
country, would be to showcase that, to showcase our Founders.
 And with that, I yield back.
 Dr. Hartig. Thank you, sir. And absolutely, I agree.
 Mr. Burchett. Thank you.
 Mr. Frost from Florida, you are recognized, sir.
 Mr. Frost. Thank you, Mr. Chair.
 You know, I have got to say, listening to this hearing, I 
think many of my colleagues would benefit from actually 
stepping foot in the Smithsonian Institutions and maybe not 
just reading talking points from the White House or reading 
what they are supposed to say.
 I have been in these museums. I mean, talking about the 
National Museum of African American History and Culture 
specifically, it tells the whole story, the ugly and how 
America and Americans came together to get rid of slavery, to 
fight Jim Crow. But it tells the whole story.
 So, maybe this Committee should do like a field trip and 
actually go through these institutions to actually see the full 
story be told. Because I would contend that many of my 
colleagues on the other side of the aisle have never stepped 
foot in many of these institutions, at least not in a long 
time.
 Director Hartig, thank you for being here. Can you please 
share a little bit about your experience as a historian?
 Dr. Hartig. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Frost.
 I came to history as an undergraduate. I thought I was 
going to be an English major, but I took my first history 
class, and I was rowing crew for UCLA at the time, and I 
hoisted my ten-speed on my shoulder, and I walked up the stairs 
to the history department, and I declared that I wanted to be 
an historian.
 And since then, as a public servant and as a public 
historian in which we look at archives and material culture and 
museum work and historic preservation work, I have been 
completely motivated to figure out how then I can best serve 
the Nation. And being the Elizabeth MacMillan Director of the 
museum certainly is the highest calling.
 Mr. Frost. Yes. Thank you.
 Mr. Gonzalez, are you a professional historian?
 Mr. Gonzalez. Actually, I have been paid by publishers to 
write history, so I am.
 Mr. Frost. Okay. How many exhibits have you curated?
 Mr. Gonzalez. Oh, no, no, I am not a curator.
 Mr. Frost. Okay. How many exhibits have you curated? It is 
a separate question.
 Mr. Gonzalez. I have not curated any exhibits because I am 
not a curator.
 Mr. Frost. All right. Thank you.
 Dr. Hartig--thank you. You have not curated any exhibits. 
Thank you.
 Dr. Hartig, is your work partisan?
 Dr. Hartig. No, sir, our work is not. We do not seek to 
advance any political agenda.
 Mr. Frost. Yes, ma'am. Does the museum take political sides 
or have a political agenda?
 Dr. Hartig. No, sir.
 Mr. Frost. Does the museum have exhibits that challenge 
people's views or may make them feel uncomfortable?
 Dr. Hartig. History is incredibly challenging. And by then, 
its very nature, if we tell it in its richness, we absolutely, 
I think, have objects that can make people uncomfortable. And, 
you know, I harken back to Secretary Bunch's words that he was 
told by a sharecropper that, you know, tell the people both 
what they want to hear and what they need to hear.
 So, I think depending on where you are, certainly there can 
be a level of discomfort.
 Mr. Frost. Thank you. What review process does the museum 
use before opening an exhibit?
 Dr. Hartig. So, the museum goes through a rigorous 
scholarly presentation of the way in which exhibit objects and 
stories and interpretation relate to one another. That is 
reviewed extensively. Also, depending on the size of the 
exhibit. Our In Pursuit of Life, Liberty, and Happiness 
exhibition, our 250-object exhibition for America 250, went 
through exhaustive review with also peer reviews as well. Then 
it is presented up to the Under Secretaries and often the 
Secretary in conversation with our review.
 Mr. Frost. Thank you. Thank you, Director.
 Dr. Hartig. Thank you.
 Mr. Frost. Mr. Gonzalez, who should decide what is in a 
museum?
 Mr. Gonzalez. I would say that the curator, but also 
overseen by the leadership of the museum. The taxpayer does 
spend $1.1 billion in the Smithsonian, so the Smithsonian is 
accountable to the American taxpayer.
 Mr. Frost. All right. Thank you. I have a yes or no 
question. Should exhibits capture American history as it 
happened without bias?
 Mr. Gonzalez. Yes.
 Mr. Frost. Was slavery a part of American history?
 Mr. Gonzalez. Yes.
 Mr. Frost. Was Jim Crow a part of American history?
 Mr. Gonzalez. Yes.
 Mr. Frost. Is it important that museums discuss these 
topics, at length, so people understand the gravity?
 Mr. Gonzalez. Absolutely, yes.
 Mr. Frost. Do you believe that American art should be 
consistent with the Trump Administration's cultural and 
political goals?
 Mr. Gonzalez. I have no idea what that is. I cannot comment 
on that.
 Mr. Frost. Do you believe that American art--or do you 
believe that the Smithsonian's goal should be consistent with 
the Trump Administration's cultural and political goals?
 Mr. Gonzalez. Again, I do not know how you define that. I 
cannot answer it.
 Mr. Frost. You seem to have a longstanding personal 
vendetta against the Smithsonian that started well before the 
White House report. And I asked you those questions because I 
am concerned about censorship. I am no historian either, just 
like you, but I know that Nazi Germany weaponized art in 
museums to demonize certain groups.
 Dr. Blight, if Congress or the White House starts deciding 
historical interpretation, how is that different from political 
censorship?
 Dr. Blight. It is political censorship. And their model may 
indeed be Joseph Goebbels' Committee on Enlightenment, which is 
what the Nazis called their committee that tried to control 
museums.
 Mr. Burchett. I am sorry, sir. Your time is up.
 Mr. Frost. Thank you. I yield back.
 Mr. Walkinshaw. Mr. Chairman, I have a UC request.
 Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I would like to enter into the 
record, ask unanimous consent, a Reuters article from January 
2025, ``Trump's Anti-DEI Order Yanks Air Force Videos of 
Tuskegee Airmen and Female Pilots.''
 Mr. Burchett. So ordered.
 Mr. Fallon of Texas, you are recognized.
 Mr. Fallon. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
 Director Hartig, you hold a very prestigious position. It 
is an awesome responsibility. We are honoring American history, 
and we have a rich history in these past 250 years.
 In 2019 when you took the--did you take the job in 2019? Is 
that right?
 Dr. Hartig. Good morning, sir. And, yes, I did.
 Mr. Fallon. Good morning. Okay. And what was your pay then? 
How much did they pay you?
 Dr. Hartig. My starting pay was $300,000.
 Mr. Fallon. And what is it today?
 Dr. Hartig. It is about $370,000, which is paid from an 
endowment, not Federal funds.
 Mr. Fallon. Okay. But you do agree that you work for the 
American people?
 Dr. Hartig. Every day, sir.
 Mr. Fallon. All right. And all of them, even the ones you 
disagree with?
 Dr. Hartig. We welcome everyone to the museum.
 Mr. Fallon. All of them. All right. Wonderful. Are the 
majority of the funds for the museum paid for by the American 
taxpayer?
 Dr. Hartig. So, of the Smithsonian's appropriation, for 
which we are very grateful----
 Mr. Fallon. The majority is?
 Dr. Hartig. Yes.
 Mr. Fallon. Okay. Just because we have limited time.
 Dr. Hartig. Yes. So, if I may, sir?
 Mr. Fallon. Again, sorry. We have very limited time. But it 
is the majority. All right. We agree there.
 Webster's, I looked up the definition of history, because 
it is very important in our conversation today. And it is a 
chronological record of significant events, such as affecting a 
nation or an institution, often including an explanation of 
their causes.
 And as such, I think we hopefully would all agree that you 
need to take great care when presenting history. It needs to be 
fair and balanced and as objective as any human being can be to 
and for all Americans and not colored with--you know, we do not 
want to color the museum and our history with your personal 
beliefs, biases, ideology, and preconceived notions. And I 
think it is important to take that step back and present a 
comprehensive look at American history that displays all of it, 
good, bad, ugly, triumphant, et cetera.
 Director, do you believe you have done that these past 
seven years?
 Dr. Hartig. Yes, sir, to the best of my ability.
 Mr. Fallon. John [sic] Smithson, when he donated, I think 
it was in 1826 when he donated his fortune, he said it was to 
increase and diffusion of knowledge among men--I think we would 
all agree ``people'' now. And the precursor to your museum was 
the National Museum of History and Technology, and that is 
important in a minute. And they wanted to always focus on the 
story of American progress.
 Director, do you love the United States of America?
 Dr. Hartig. I do, unequivocally.
 Mr. Fallon. Wonderful. I do as well. We agree. And on 
balance, do you believe the United States has been a force of 
good in the world, on balance?
 Dr. Hartig. United States is the world's longest 
consecutive running democracy and----
 Mr. Fallon. So, I would take that as a yes?
 Dr. Hartig [continuing]. It is truly remarkable.
 Mr. Fallon. Again, just because we have limited time. Yes?
 Dr. Hartig. Yes, sir.
 Mr. Fallon. So, two out of two. Okay. And you believe we 
still are today?
 Dr. Hartig. Pardon me, sir?
 Mr. Fallon. And you believe we still are today?
 Dr. Hartig. Absolutely.
 Mr. Fallon. Yes, wonderful.
 So, United States, would you agree with the statement that 
we are the greatest Nation history has ever known?
 Dr. Hartig. I think that I would refer judgment in terms 
of----
 Mr. Fallon. All right. So, I have got to take that as a no 
because it is an easy answer. Yes, yes, yes. So, we got three 
out of four. That is not bad.
 Under your leadership, did you direct staff to frame and 
tie all the exhibits in the museum to seven core social issues?
 Dr. Hartig. No, sir.
 Mr. Fallon. You did not? Not on, like, race, gender----
 Dr. Hartig. To the best of my knowledge.
 Mr. Fallon [continuing]. Climate change, immigration, 
economic equality, technical--all right. Well, 250th 
anniversary, we agree that America is 250 years old?
 Dr. Hartig. Absolutely.
 Mr. Fallon. As far as a focus and highlight for the 250th, 
did you have any new exhibits on George Washington?
 Dr. Hartig. So, we have about 25----
 Mr. Fallon. Again, I apologize, just because we have such 
limited time. Did your museum decide to say, hey, you know, it 
is the 250th anniversary, we are going to feature George 
Washington?
 Dr. Hartig. We do feature George Washington.
 Mr. Fallon. Can somebody take this?
 Dr. Hartig. We feature George Washington----
 Mr. Fallon. No, but did you--you are not answering the 
question. I am so sorry.
 Did you have any new--the 250th anniversary, and you decide 
as a board, we are going to have a new exhibit that highlights 
and focuses and celebrates George Washington?
 Dr. Hartig. We highlight and celebrate George Washington--
--
 Mr. Fallon. So, you did not have any new ones?
 Dr. Hartig. It is a new exhibit.
 Mr. Fallon. You have a new one just for George Washington 
for the 250?
 Dr. Hartig. In Pursuit of Life, Liberty, and Happiness.
 Mr. Fallon. Great. How about Thomas Jefferson?
 Dr. Hartig. He is predominantly--both of them.
 Mr. Fallon. Mr. Chairman, I reclaim my time. We have very 
limited time.
 How about Thomas Jefferson, did you have a new exhibit on 
Thomas Jefferson for the 250?
 Dr. Hartig. We had a new exhibit that included Thomas 
Jefferson, George Washington----
 Mr. Fallon. But you did not solely focus on Thomas 
Jefferson. How about Ben Franklin?
 Dr. Hartig. Pardon me?
 Mr. Fallon. Did you have a new exhibit on Ben Franklin?
 Dr. Hartig. We had a new exhibit that included Mr. 
Franklin.
 Mr. Fallon. All right. So, on the Founding Fathers. How 
about great inventors, great American inventors, any new 
exhibits on that?
 Dr. Hartig. We had a new exhibit that included many great 
American inventors.
 Mr. Fallon. Brand-new and for the 250th?
 Dr. Hartig. Yes, sir.
 Mr. Fallon. Like Alexander Graham Bell, Thomas Edison, 
Nicholas [sic] Tesla, Eli Whitney, John Deere.
 Did you also have one that celebrated a 12-day Pride 
celebration and create a special display honoring a queer 
Mexican and undocumented man?
 Dr. Hartig. For the 250th? No, sir.
 Mr. Fallon. Did you do that this year?
 Dr. Hartig. No, sir, to the best of my knowledge.
 Mr. Fallon. You are under oath. You are saying that you did 
not do that. Okay.
 My time is up. I yield back.
 Mr. Burchett. Thank you.
 Ms. Pressley, you are recognized.
 Ms. Pressley. Thank you.
 Our shared American history--our shared American history is 
under attack. Donald Trump is working overtime to turn our 
museums into instruments of ``Make America Great Again'' (MAGA) 
propaganda rather than places where American people and 
visitors from around the world can encounter our factual 
history.
 I had the privilege this weekend of visiting the Civil 
Rights Museum in Memphis, Tennessee, a Smithsonian affiliate. 
And what I took in there was factual, it was powerful, it was 
equal parts devastating and also instructive, which is why 
people are working so hard to erase it.
 And let me just be clear. Try as you might to erase Black 
history and to erase Black people, you cannot erase us. But I 
digress.
 The work of our museums is so very important. Dr. Hartig, 
that work deserves visibility, gratitude, protection, not 
vilification and threats.
 Since taking office, the Trump Administration has become 
synonymous with fascism. While there is no one set definition, 
historians have generally agreed upon several characteristics.
 Dr. Blight, you were selected to be the president of the 
Society of American Historians, so I am going to ask you to 
keep me honest on this. Now, what I have learned is that 
fascism usually includes elements like undermining fair 
elections, a constant targeting of vulnerable people and 
labeling them as enemies, and an overwhelming amount of 
government corruption. Sounds eerily familiar. A damning and 
devastating deja vu of the moment we find ourselves in right 
now.
 The element I want to focus on today is the fascist 
hostility to our history, academia, museums, and the arts. Dr. 
Blight, looking at history, why do fascists and autocrats 
attack cultural institutions like museums?
 Dr. Blight. Madam Congressman, it is because they believe 
that is where you can control people's minds. You can sustain a 
social order, you can control education, you can control the 
arts, you can control writing and creativity itself.
 It is not just the Nazis. There have been plenty of other 
neo-Fascist or Fascist regimes that have attempted to do that.
 Ms. Pressley. Thank you, Doctor. Yes, this is anti-freedom 
agenda. They want to control what books we read, what is in our 
museums, what we do with our bodies, attack the free press, 
degrade free speech. It is an anti-freedom agenda.
 Dr. Blight, what warning signs do you look for when society 
starts drifting toward fascism and authoritarianism?
 Dr. Blight. First, I look for the breakup of political 
parties, then I look at--I look for this kind of assault on 
cultural institutions, on things like the National Park 
Service, which reaches more students than any of us who teach 
in universities. I look for attempts to control the media, 
which is the dissemination of knowledge. And I look for any 
attempt at the control over free minds, free speech, freedom 
itself.
 Ms. Pressley. Thank you. History gives us a chilling 
example of what happens when a government decides that it alone 
will define what counts as good art and acceptable history. I 
have heard the stories passed down in Jewish families of 
Germany in the 1930s, as the Nazi regime consolidated political 
power, it turned its attentions to museums and to galleries.
 The regime started with criticism, labeling art as 
degenerate, and claiming it did not fit with the national 
culture. But then they started attacking museum directors and 
curators and, eventually, art pieces were confiscated from 
museums and locked away or sold. In 1939, Nazis publicly burned 
thousands of paintings that they could not profit from. The 
United States Holocaust Memorial Museum details much of this 
history.
 Fascist attacks on museums are not just about history. 
Today the occupant of the White House labels entire aspects of 
American history as, quote/unquote, ``divisive'' and uses the 
power of his office to pressure the Smithsonian to remove, 
whitewash, and to rewrite our stories.
 I am not here to exaggerate, just to educate. And what is 
spurring this all on? What fuels this? Fear of a Black planet, 
fear of a multiracial democracy. The occupant of the Oval 
Office, Project 2025, this cult of MAGA, they are fueled by 
fear and hate.
 Dr. Blight, when people see the warning signs that you 
mentioned, why is it important that they speak up and take 
action?
 Dr. Blight. It is important because if the people do not 
stand up, they lose these institutions, and as you just 
suggested, the black world came to America for the World Cup. I 
wonder if--I wonder if people noticed that the world is Black 
and Brown and the teams from European countries were Black and 
Brown, and we ought to take some lesson from that. And, by the 
way, to that point earlier, sorry, that they were getting 
disinformation, who were they getting the disinformation from? 
And let us remember what fascinates the world about America is 
our contradictions.
 Mr. Burchett. Your time is up, sir.
 Dr. Blight. Thank you. Sorry.
 Mr. Burchett. Your time is up.
 Mr. Jack.
 Mr. Jack. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
 My first question is to Mr. Gonzalez. I appreciate your 
testimony today. We have heard some pretty concerning things 
throughout this hearing. I am curious from your perspective, 
what is fueling this ideological takeover of many of our 
institutions?
 Mr. Gonzalez. Yes. I thank you, Mr. Jack. Good to see you 
again. I agree with Dr. Blight, fascists try to seize the past 
to control the future, but it really is a trademark of 
Marxists. This is what Marxists do. I think that people who 
want to truly transform the country, seize the cultural 
institutions in order to mold how people think, this is their 
own words. The leadership of the Smithsonian says constantly 
that it wants to use the museum to transform America for 
societal transformation. They see history itself as a tool, an 
instrument to change society. So, you only have to quote what 
they say they want to do.
 Mr. Jack. What would you say are the most egregious 
examples of this takeover that you have seen on display at the 
Smithsonian?
 Mr. Gonzalez. Well, I think we have gone through many of 
them here. Let me correct the record, because it was said 
earlier that the MASS toolkit was not produced by the 
Smithsonian. On page 64, it says that it was coauthored by half 
a dozen current and former Smithsonian employees. The fact that 
the staff of the Smithsonian is trained at--you know, was 
trained for three years after the Smithsonian apologized. I 
think that is pretty damning. Trained for four years on how to 
use history to transform America.
 I think the fact that the, for example, on the Franklin 
exhibit, they pondered whether he had ever done experiments, 
electroshock on indentured servants or slaves without producing 
any evidence whatsoever. I think that is pretty shocking. Why 
smear the Founding Fathers such as Ben Franklin with--by 
pondering such a really bizarre thing?
 Mr. Jack. Well said.
 Director Hartig, I am curious, we have heard a lot of 
concerning examples as just referenced. Do you have any regrets 
in your tenure thus far of some of the exhibits that have been 
displayed? Do you regret any of the exhibits? And if so, which?
 Dr. Hartig. Good morning, sir. I am incredibly proud of the 
work we have done, but we are imperfect, and we surely have 
made mistakes, but I do not have any regrets.
 Mr. Jack. Which mistakes would you say you have made?
 Dr. Hartig. There are always factual errors. One of my 
favorite, currently, is that one of our volunteers has pointed 
out that we have been mislabeling a coin in the American 
Presidency Exhibit for years, and that we were, of course, 
slightly embarrassed about that, but we fixed it.
 Mr. Jack. Have you had any negative feedback from Secretary 
Bunch or others in leadership about some of the exhibits we 
have discussed today?
 Dr. Hartig. Secretary Bunch and the members of leadership 
and I talk about many things, including our exhibitions.
 Mr. Jack. Has there been any frustration exhibited about 
some of the exhibits that have happened under your control?
 Dr. Hartig. We talk about many things and we have talked 
about the challenges of being an historian in these times, 
absolutely.
 Mr. Jack. So, one of the things I find interesting, and I 
am going to take that as an evasive answer, and I would submit 
for the record if you want to say Secretary Bunch is 
criticizing you, it is helpful for us to hear that, but if not, 
we will let that go. I am curious if you can explain for us the 
603 review process, and I think this Committee is very 
interested in exploring that and seeing what feedback has come 
about some of these exhibits.
 Dr. Hartig. Certainly, sir. Thank you for the question. I 
think it started in 1995. Smithsonian directive SD603 requires 
all of our work to go through a really very rigorous review 
risk assessment. Most recently, it was updated last summer and 
enhanced by the regents.
 Mr. Jack. So, when an exhibit goes on display, it is peer 
reviewed, there is a lot of input about the exhibit from people 
that are on staff within your purview?
 Dr. Hartig. Absolutely. And then it is reviewed by a higher 
committee of undersecretaries.
 Mr. Jack. Would you be willing to submit some of those 
review processes and, likewise, some of the content within it, 
to this Committee for review?
 Dr. Hartig. I am happy to check with our general counsel 
and get back to you.
 Mr. Jack. Mr. Gonzalez, in the remaining time that we have, 
I am just curious, what do we do going forward? How do we 
resolve this? How do we fix this? It is clearly a problem that 
is dividing our country. What is the path forward?
 Mr. Gonzalez. I am saddened to say that you do need to 
clean out house at the Smithsonian. You have to replace the 
leadership. I do not think the 603 review process is going to 
fix anything. I do not think trying to reform with the present 
leadership is going to do anything. They are committed to the 
things they want to do. We only have to listen to what they say 
and look at the evidence they have produced. I think you need 
to work with the Board of Regents to effect this change.
 Mr. Jack. Thank you. Mr. Chairman, I yield back.
 Mr. Burchett. Thank you.
 Ms. Crockett from Texas, you are recognized, ma'am.
 Ms. Crockett. Thank you, Mr. Chair.
 Welcome to the Republicans White pride rally disguised as a 
congressional hearing. It might be uncomfortable for some 
people on this Committee to hear about the true history of 
America, and I hate that for them, but facts are facts. And it 
is a fact that there is a violent exclusionary discriminatory 
sexist and racist part of American history where our indigenous 
populations were forcibly displaced from their land; where 
thousands of Black people were unjustly lynched; where Black 
people were denied the right to vote and they are still trying 
to do it today; where women needed their husband's permission 
to open a bank account; where people with disabilities were 
routinely excluded from schools, workplaces, and public life; 
where four little Black girls were murdered by the Ku Klux Klan 
(KKK) at the 16th Street Baptist Church; and a lot of this was 
not that long ago. In fact, three of those little girls would 
be 77 and one would be 74. More than 40 Members of Congress 
serving right now would be older than them.
 Ruby Bridges, who was the first Black child to desegregate 
an all-White school, is only 71 years old. More than 100 
Members of Congress serving right now are older than her. So, 
attacks on the Smithsonian or any other institution that is 
willing to tell the true history of America is not only an 
attempt to rewrite history, it is an attempt to erase history.
 So, Dr. Blight, if Republicans are going to ban books, 
penalize schools and universities, attack museums, if states 
continue to change curriculum, where do Americans go to learn 
about the complicated sometimes racist and violent parts of 
American history?
 Dr. Blight. Thank you for the question. I think they will 
have to keep going to the same institutions and we have to keep 
fighting to preserve what we are doing in those institutions. 
They have to keep going to public schools. They have to keep 
going to their public libraries. They have to keep going to the 
great Smithsonian. Look, the purpose of history is to enlighten 
us, inspire us, trouble us, bother us, sometimes make us angry. 
I find it hard to believe that a young person could go through 
the Museum of American History and not come out at least 
inspired with a single most important thing: a sense of the 
past, a sense of history. Americans have to keep going to those 
places they trust. We have to keep those institutions 
trustworthy.
 Ms. Crockett. Thank you so much. In fact, that takes me to 
Dr. Hartig. They accuse you and the Smithsonian of sowing 
division in this country. However, before the White House 
deleted it, the Departments of Justice and Homeland Security 
found the biggest domestic threat to the United States is 
violent White supremacists. So, I have a couple of questions 
for you. First, to the best of your knowledge, has the museum 
ever been linked to any violent act that has occurred in the 
United States or against the U.S. Government?
 Dr. Hartig. Thank you, ma'am. Not to the best of my 
knowledge.
 Ms. Crockett. I do not think many of these White 
supremacists can even read, but to the best of your knowledge, 
can you identify a single artifact in your museum that would 
divide the country?
 Dr. Hartig. To the best of my knowledge, ma'am, no. I hope 
that they unite the country through a shared understanding of 
our past.
 Ms. Crockett. Do you think, or do you ask the political 
affiliation of any of your employees before you hire them?
 Dr. Hartig. Absolutely not, ma'am. It is against the Hatch 
Act of 1939.
 Ms. Crockett. I am glad that you know the law, but 
nevertheless, do you ask if they have donated to political 
campaigns?
 Dr. Hartig. Absolutely not, ma'am. It is against the Hatch 
Act of 1939.
 Ms. Crockett. We need a briefing in this building, but 
nevertheless, do you only hire non-White people?
 Dr. Hartig. No, ma'am.
 Ms. Crockett. In fact, almost 60 percent of the 
Smithsonian's total workforce is men, and more than 50 percent 
is White. 90 percent of Smithsonian employees making senior 
level pay are White, and 60 percent of them are men. I do not 
understand this fetish that these White guys with fragile egos 
have with trying to feel oppressed. It reminds me of the same 
people Martin Luther King, Jr. (MLK) was referring to when he 
said, quote, ``They believe that American society is 
essentially hospitable to fair play and to steady growth toward 
a middle-class utopia embodying racial harmony, but 
unfortunately, this is a fantasy of self-deception and 
comfortable vanity.''
 I want to go back real quick, though, Dr. Blight, because 
you talked about the World Cup, the World Cup that they 
captured the imaginations of the entire world when they saw all 
of these people of color that was playing for all these teams, 
and ultimately, if you recall, the last two teams, it was 
Argentina and Spain and it seemed like the vast majority of the 
world was rooting for Argentina--or actually against Argentina, 
right? And why was that? Just give me an explanation, if you 
could guess. If you will just let him finish the answer.
 Dr. Blight. Spain had the best team. Maybe that is why they 
were rooting for them.
 Ms. Crockett. There is also a racist history that exists 
within Argentina.
 Mr. Burchett. Mr. Beyer, you are recognized.
 Ms. Crockett. Thank you.
 Mr. Burchett. Thank you, Ms. Crockett.
 Mr. Beyer. Mr. Chairman, thank you for letting me waive on 
to the Committee and, Mr. Chairman, thank you for that sort of 
exaggerated opening video of Dr. Hartig, which I thought simply 
and respectfully recognized that our European ancestors and the 
African slaves they brought over came to settle and claim lands 
that had been home to earlier immigrants, those we call Native 
Americans that came between 15 and 30,000 years ago. Jared 
Diamond in ``Guns, Germs, and Steel'' points out that our virus 
and bacteria killed the majority of them, and then we proceeded 
to take their land, killed hundreds of thousands, moved them 
out of the regions in which they lived to reservations in South 
Dakota, Arizona, and other places, and we have a Trail of 
Tears, Wounded Knee, the Sandy Creek Massacre, the California 
genocide, and the forced boarding schools.
 Dr. Hartig, why did you think it was important to offer a 
small amount of homage to those who had lived here before we 
came?
 Dr. Hartig. Thank you, sir. It is a practice that I believe 
in to acknowledge the layered complexity of our land and where 
we are standing and all those who have come before us and an 
honor to recognize the first peoples of the United States.
 Mr. Beyer. Thank you. Mr. Gonzalez talked about, quote, the 
erasure of American culture. I feel, especially listening to 
all the wonderful people today, that nothing would be further 
from the truth, because it is all an effort to tell all of 
America's stories. Dr. Spalding said, tell the American 
national story. I mean, yes, I love America, Director Hartig 
loves America, Dr. Blight, Lonnie Bunch, but we do not pretend 
that we are perfect. It says that we forge toward a more 
perfect union.
 Dr. Blight, you talked--the most memorable phrase today 
was, ``sanctioned ignorance.'' What would Dr. Hartig's museum 
look like if we suppressed everything that makes us 
uncomfortable?
 Dr. Blight. Well, it would be a nice pleasing stroll 
through a museum and not much to talk about afterwards at 
lunch. It is--Frederick Douglas once said, America is its 
contradictions all made up of its contradictions, and as a 
former slave, he understood that. The purpose of exhibiting 
history, representing history, is not just to show the good and 
the bad. That is, of course, true, and everyone here has said 
it, but it is to stimulate our curiosity, to ask a question 
that we have not asked before, to confront us with evidence we 
have not seen before, a story we never knew. That is what a 
museum should do. That is what people will then talk about as 
they leave. If all they learn is a patriotic story, then 
frankly, professionally, curators and historians have not done 
their jobs. We do not serve the state. We serve the practice of 
the creation and dissemination of knowledge.
 Mr. Beyer. Thank you very much.
 Dr. Hartig, you have taken a lot of heat today for saying 
that your love for America is complicated. I would argue that 
all love is complicated, because we are not perfect and the 
people we love are not perfect, but can you see your 
complicated love also being unconditional? And what did you 
mean by complicated love?
 Dr. Hartig. Sure. Thank you, sir. The placard that was held 
up in March during the summer of 2020, which I think we can all 
remember, said loving America is--loving America is 
complicated, I may be misremembering slightly, and I use that 
slide in a number of my presentations, because I believe you 
can do both. I believe that loving America can be complicated 
as an historian. I also believe that as an individual, my love 
for America is unconditional.
 Mr. Beyer. Thank you very much.
 Mr. Chairman, I yield back.
 Mr. Burchett. Thank you, sir.
 I now would like to enter ``Saving America's Story'' for 
the record. No objections.
 Ms. Stansbury, you are recognized.
 Ms. Stansbury. All right. Well, it has been an interesting 
hearing, as these hearings always are, and so, I have a lot of 
ground to cover. I want to just start out by, Mr. Chairman, 
inviting you to invite the entire Committee to go down to the 
Smithsonian Museum. The American Smithsonian is a mere two 
miles from here, and I would also like to invite some of my 
colleagues. If you want to come over, we can watch drag race, 
we can have some cocktails. I think you will have a different 
opinion once you watch it.
 Okay. But let us talk a little bit about the museum. I 
heard the testimony from the Majority's witnesses today, and I 
have to say I think probably most Americans, with all due 
respect, sirs, would have no idea what museums you are talking 
about, because that is not the museums as they are presented, 
and I think that as many of my colleagues have stated today, if 
any of our colleagues had actually stepped foot in these 
museums in the last few weeks or months, they would actually 
know what is inside these museums. In fact, I go on a regular 
basis. I went twice over the last week. And I am curious, 
though none of my colleagues have stuck around to actually hear 
the rest of this hearing, how many people in this room have 
actually been to a Smithsonian Museum in the last month or two? 
Audience?
 Okay. All right. We got some people in here. Unfortunately, 
my Republican colleagues who felt this hearing was so important 
to schedule did not even bother to wait until the end to answer 
the question. Maybe because they could not.
 Now, let me take you on a very quick brief virtual tour of 
the museum since we cannot physically go over there. This is 
the Star-Spangled Banner. This is the American flag that is 
famous. It is one of the most prominently displayed exhibits at 
the American History Museum. This is Abraham Lincoln's hat. 
This is the desk that the Declaration of Independence was 
written on. If you have been to the Smithsonian Castle for the 
250th birthday, which I was just a couple of weekends ago, it 
is right as you walk in. So, to our colleagues that did not 
know it was there, go over to the castle.
 This is, of course, R2D2, ``Star Wars.'' We have got some 
``Star Wars'' fans. Ruby slippers. This is the first Wright 
flyer, the Wright brothers, and of course this is the command 
module of Apollo 11, which was instrumental in the first 
landing on the moon.
 That is American history, and this is what is featured in 
the American history and other museums of the Smithsonian. And 
so, notwithstanding this crazy report that just got added into 
the record and notwithstanding the insane testimony we heard 
today, I really do encourage every single person in America and 
across the world to come visit one of our greatest institutions 
in this country.
 Now, there was a lot of conversation today about what do 
race, gender, identity, culture, have to do with the American 
story? That is the American story. We are the greatest nation 
on planet earth. We are diverse. We are huge. We are filled 
with every language, every culture, every people on planet 
earth who come here to aspire to the freedoms that are 
protected in that Declaration and that Constitution that is 
featured prominently in the Smithsonian Museum.
 But our museums are also keepers of our story and all its 
complexity and all its pain, and they are there to also reflect 
who we are as people. So, if there is merchandise that 
celebrates being Latina, count me in. I want some. I am going 
to go down and get some. If there is merchandise celebrating 
the LGBTQ+ community, is that appropriate? Yes, it is 
appropriate, because this is our country and we all belong 
here, and our colleagues do not get to decide who belongs and 
does not belong in this country, and whose history and whose 
culture and whose identities belong in our institutions. You 
get to decide that, the American people.
 And if my colleagues are so concerned about protecting 
children from sexualization, how about you arrest some of the 
criminals in the Epstein case? Maybe the President himself. If 
you are so concerned about the well-being of children in this 
country, how about you vote no against the bills that are 
trying to gut our education system, the bills that are trying 
to gut food assistance, the bills that are gutting healthcare 
instead of voting in favor of them? If you actually care about 
the children and people of this country, then let your vote and 
your actions speak for you and vote no against the $95 billion 
package you are trying to move this week to send more of our 
children into war in an illegal war.
 Now, we do not have time to close out this hearing with a 
proper closing, but I just want to say to my colleagues who 
came to share their stories, their hopes, their dreams, and the 
importance of these institutions, and to all of the American 
people out there, we will fight for the independence of the 
Smithsonian and we will not go back, period.
 Mr. Burchett. Thank you, co-Chair.
 Recognize Ms. Boebert from Colorado.
 Ms. Boebert. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
 Director Hartig, you have said that history is a prime tool 
of social justice and that the museum works to reframe the 
traditional celebratory narrative of U.S. history. Isn't that 
just a polished way of saying that you intend to use a taxpayer 
funded national museum to push a racial narrative that divides 
Americans by their skin color and by guilt?
 Dr. Hartig. Good morning, ma'am, and thank you for the 
questions. I have said in a number of my talks that I grow, I 
think, increasingly confident that history can be a tool----
 Ms. Boebert. So, you are using taxpayer funded dollars to 
divide our country by racism and guilt?
 Dr. Hartig. No, ma'am. I am using the power of history----
 Ms. Boebert. Madam Director, you changed the museum's 
mission away from preserving and presenting American history 
toward empowering people to create a more just and 
compassionate future. Who gave you the authority to turn the 
National Museum of American History into a vehicle for 
progressive political activism?
 Dr. Hartig. So, the Smithsonian is a nonpartisan 
institution, and we are very proud of that.
 Ms. Boebert. Who decides what is just, ma'am?
 Dr. Hartig. I hope we can all agree that we want a just and 
compassionate future. We do so by preserving and sharing the 
stories of the past.
 Ms. Boebert. And are you rewriting that history?
 Dr. Hartig. No, ma'am.
 Ms. Boebert. No? So, you are the one who is over all of 
this. You are the Director.
 Dr. Hartig. I am, ma'am.
 Ms. Boebert. And it seems that you have the authority to 
decide what is just and what is compassionate. What about the 
tens of millions of aborted babies, the babies that have been 
killed in America? Where is the justice and the compassion for 
them?
 Dr. Hartig. Ma'am, I believe in a just and compassionate 
future.
 Ms. Boebert. Is it just and compassionate to abort tens of 
millions of babies?
 Dr. Hartig. I am not here at this hearing to discuss that.
 Ms. Boebert. Where is their history?
 Dr. Hartig. I am not here at this hearing to discuss that.
 Ms. Boebert. Is that not a part of our American history? 
Did that not happen?
 Dr. Hartig. I am not----
 Ms. Boebert. Or is it only what you care about? Is it only 
the issues that you care about and you being cushioned by White 
privilege and being propped up by your Whiteness as you claim? 
I am paraphrasing. Is that what you care about, just racism and 
making people feel guilty?
 Dr. Hartig. No, ma'am. I care about the full richness of 
the American past. Since 1776, there is an estimated three 
billion people who have been here, so it is the honor of my 
life----
 Ms. Boebert. There are over 50 million babies that have 
been aborted.
 Dr. Hartig. It is the honor of my life to do my best to 
tell the American stories.
 Ms. Boebert. Director, you have said that loving America is 
very complicated. Is it complicated to love your country?
 Dr. Hartig. I love my country unconditionally, ma'am.
 Ms. Boebert. Okay. So, the 250th anniversary of the 
Declaration, you said that that should be problematized.
 Dr. Hartig. Yes, I did, and when historians use that, it 
means to add new stories----
 Ms. Boebert. What about when you use it?
 Dr. Hartig [continuing]. To think about it different ways. 
Pardon me, ma'am?
 Ms. Boebert. What about when you use it, Director?
 Dr. Hartig. When I use it, I mean to add new stories and 
think of new objects to tell the American story and all its 
richness.
 Ms. Boebert. But you are not going to include the babies 
that were killed? We cannot think of those stories, those new 
stories to share with the American people?
 Dr. Hartig. Ma'am, we are going to use the two million 
objects in our collection to tell the American story as fully 
as we can.
 Ms. Boebert. There are over 50 billion more you can add to 
that. I believe when the Director of America's History Museum 
finds it complicated to love her country and wants to 
problematize its founding, I believe that that is the 
definition of undoing the--our shared national story. Would you 
agree?
 Dr. Hartig. No, ma'am.
 Ms. Boebert. Your museum has minimized or contextualized 
the Founders primarily through slavery and exclusion while 
elevating narratives of conquests, systematic injustice and 
resistance. Is there any version of the American founding you 
consider worthy of uncomplicated celebration, or is the entire 
project irredeemably tainted by your view?
 Dr. Hartig. So, the Founding--excuse me. The founding era 
of the Nation occupies 25,000 square feet in our museum, so I 
am incredibly proud that we tell the stories of the founding--
--
 Ms. Boebert. Is there any part of it that is uncomplicated 
or?
 Dr. Hartig. Oh, some of it is incredibly----
 Ms. Boebert. Or we can celebrate without complication?
 Dr. Hartig. Absolutely, ma'am.
 Mr. Burchett. Time is up.
 Ms. Boebert. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
 Ms. Pressley. Can I ask for unanimous consent to enter into 
the record an opinion piece authored by witness Professor 
Blight and titled, ``Trump is Bending History to His Will. He 
Will Fail.''
 Mr. Burchett. So ordered.
 At this time, I have been advised not to do this, but I am 
going to do it because he is my friend. Without objection, Mr. 
Jackson from Illinois is waived on the Subcommittee for the 
purpose of questioning the witnesses in today's hearing.
 Mr. Jackson. Thank you, the honorable Chairman, Mr. Tim 
Burchett, my friend, and thank you, Ms. Stansbury, and all the 
talents that have come today. I have enormous concern about 
what is happening at the museum structure, particularly under 
the Trump Administration. History is not something that we seek 
to change or bend. History was taken place before we arrived. 
History is something that we should learn from, and to the 
degree that Mr. Trump specifically on the 4th of July 2026, 
took further attacks at the National Museum of African-American 
history I thought was very concerning, and he says that it is 
divisive, that we should show the happier side of America in 
slavery, that we should show things we have to unify us. I 
think what unifies us is the truth.
 Mr. Blight, I would ask you, Dr. Blight, from your 
historical perspective, what does it say about a society that 
cannot reconcile its history, its truth, and where are we now?
 Dr. Blight. Well, for one thing, it says it is a mature 
society. History is never easily reconciled. One example, 
Members here today have said that America is unique, 
exceptional, and great because we ended slavery. Actually, it 
is far closer to a historical truth that America is unique and 
exceptional in that it took a massive all-out Civil War to end 
slavery. We are the only country or empire in the world that 
killed 700,000 of its own people in order to no longer have 
slavery. We have all become abolitionists now. We all like to 
celebrate America ending its slavery, but if we do not know the 
process by which we got to that point, we know next to nothing.
 Mr. Jackson. Well, let me ask you, there is now this 
attempt, if you will, they are saying that our history is 
divisive. There were great people, Senator Charles Sumner is a 
personal hero. Thaddeus Stevens, he was some of the people that 
were called the great reconstructionists, if you will, that 
brought about America. When you cancel out African-Americans in 
American history, you, in fact, do not tell the whole story.
 The purpose under Dr. Carter G. Woodson, who started off 
with African-American history week, then Gerald Ford creating 
African history month, and even to the dedication of the museum 
that was allocated the land by George W. Bush. How do we tell 
the whole story so we can show the progress that we have made 
and the resilience in America?
 Dr. Blight. Well, Congressman, it is not simple. Last fall, 
with two colleagues at Yale, Beverly Gage and Joanne Freeman, I 
taught a course called ``America at 250, a History.'' No one 
teaches this way anymore. No one tries to do the whole story in 
one course. We had so many people attending the course we had 
to hold it in the chapel of the university, and it was done 
under a rubric where Yale allows the community to come. We had 
400 local citizens attending every day. We had 400 
undergraduates attending every day. We taught the whole 
national story, the big picture in one course. It was a little 
crazy, but we pulled it off, and we found there was a deep 
yearning to know the whole story but through all of the new 
histories as best we could that we have come to know and 
understand. It goes without saying that if you erase your past, 
you will pay for it.
 Mr. Jackson. Well, I would like to say very much thank you 
and I would like to share this for the record. I was at the 
dedication of the museum ten years ago, and George W. Bush, I 
have to say thank you to him. He dedicated this land. He wanted 
it prominent, and he also said in his remarks, and I would 
recommend other people read his remarks, they were about 5 
minutes, and this is just one brief section. He says, ``this 
museum is an important addition to our country for many 
reasons. Here are three. First, it shows our commitment to 
truth. A Nation--a great Nation does not hide its history. It 
faces its flaws and corrects them. This museum tells the truth 
that a country founded on the promise of liberty held millions 
in chains at the price of our union was America's original 
sin.'' I went and I thanked Mr. Bush for, A, having made this a 
very prominent part of the mall and for having brought truth to 
the American narrative.
 Dr. Blight, I will leave you with any last words?
 Dr. Blight. Well, I would only add to that that no less 
than Lonnie Bunch, himself, thanks President George W. Bush 
every chance he gets for the support for that museum.
 Mr. Jackson. Thank you, Dr. Blight.
 My dear friend, Dr. Tim Burchett, thank you so much for 
your generosity in letting me share a few minutes. Do not gavel 
me out. I would appreciate it so much. Thank you, Dr. Timothy 
Burchett.
 Mr. Burchett. You are welcome, Chairman Jackson.
 In closing, I want to thank our witnesses once again for 
their testimony. With that and without objection, all Members 
have five legislative days within which to submit materials and 
additional written questions for the witnesses which will be 
forwarded to the witnesses. If there is no further business, 
without objection, this Subcommittee stands adjourned.
 [Whereupon, at 12:16 p.m., the Subcommittee was adjourned.]

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