EXAMINING THE SPORTS BROADCASTING ACT

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 COMMITTEE ON THE JUDICIARY

 JIM JORDAN, Ohio, Chair

DARRELL ISSA, California JAMIE RASKIN, Maryland, Ranking 
ANDY BIGGS, Arizona Member
TOM McCLINTOCK, California JERROLD NADLER, New York
THOMAS P. TIFFANY, Wisconsin ZOE LOFGREN, California
THOMAS MASSIE, Kentucky STEVE COHEN, Tennessee
CHIP ROY, Texas HENRY C. ``HANK'' JOHNSON, Jr., 
SCOTT FITZGERALD, Wisconsin Georgia
BEN CLINE, Virginia TED LIEU, California
LANCE GOODEN, Texas PRAMILA JAYAPAL, Washington
JEFFERSON VAN DREW, New Jersey J. LUIS CORREA, California
TROY E. NEHLS, Texas MARY GAY SCANLON, Pennsylvania
BARRY MOORE, Alabama JOE NEGUSE, Colorado
HARRIET M. HAGEMAN, Wyoming LUCY McBATH, Georgia
LAUREL M. LEE, Florida DEBORAH K. ROSS, North Carolina
WESLEY HUNT, Texas BECCA BALINT, Vermont
RUSSELL FRY, South Carolina JESUS G. ``CHUY'' GARCIA, Illinois
KEVIN KILEY, California SYDNEY KAMLAGER-DOVE, California
GLENN GROTHMAN, Wisconsin JARED MOSKOWITZ, Florida
BRAD KNOTT, North Carolina DANIEL S. GOLDMAN, New York
MARK HARRIS, North Carolina JASMINE CROCKETT, Texas
ROBERT F. ONDER, Jr., Missouri SUMMER LEE, Pennsylvania
DEREK SCHMIDT, Kansas
BRANDON GILL, Texas
MICHAEL BAUMGARTNER, Washington
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 SUBCOMMITTEE ON THE ADMINISTRATIVE STATE,
 REGULATORY REFORM, AND ANTITRUST

 SCOTT FITZGERALD, Wisconsin, Chair

DARRELL ISSA, California JERROLD NADLER, New York, Ranking 
BEN CLINE, Virginia Member
LANCE GOODEN, Texas J. LUIS CORREA, California
HARRIET HAGEMAN, Wyoming BECCA BALINT, Vermont
MARK HARRIS, North Carolina JESUS G. ``CHUY'' GARCIA, Illinois
DEREK SCHMIDT, Kansas ZOE LOFGREN, California
MICHAEL BAUMGARTNER, Washington HENRY C. ``HANK'' JOHNSON, Jr., 
 Georgia

 CHRISTOPHER HIXON, Majority Staff Director
 ARTHUR EWENCZYK, Minority Staff Director
 
 C O N T E N T S

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 Wednesday, June 10, 2026

 OPENING STATEMENTS

 Page
The Honorable Scott Fitzgerald, Chair of the Subcommittee on the 
 Administrative State, Regulatory Reform, and Antitrust from the 
 State of Wisconsin............................................. 1
The Honorable Jerrold Nadler, Ranking Member of the Subcommittee 
 on the Administrative State, Regulatory Reform, and Antitrust 
 from the State of New York..................................... 4
The Honorable Jim Jordan, Chair of the Committee on the Judiciary 
 from the State of Ohio......................................... 6
The Honorable Jamie Raskin, Ranking Member of the Committee on 
 the Judiciary from the State of Maryland....................... 7

 WITNESSES

Jim Hallers, Founder and Managing Partner, Citizen's Grill
 Oral Testimony................................................. 10
 Prepared Testimony............................................. 12
Curtis LeGeyt, President and Chief Executive Officer, National 
 Association of Broadcasters
 Oral Testimony................................................. 15
 Prepared Testimony............................................. 17
Clay Travis, President, OutKick Media
 Oral Testimony................................................. 25
 Prepared Testimony............................................. 27
Anna M. Gomez, Commissioner, Federal Communications Commission
 Oral Testimony................................................. 32
 Prepared Testimony............................................. 34

 LETTERS, STATEMENTS, ETC. SUBMITTED FOR THE HEARING

All materials submitted for the record by the Subcommittee on the 
 Administrative State, Regulatory Reform, and Antitrust are 
 listed below................................................... 61

Materials submitted by the Honorable Jamie Raskin, Ranking Member 
 of the Committee on the Judiciary from the State of Maryland, 
 for the record
 An article entitled, ``Mergers, FCC pressure threaten 
 integrity of American journalism,'' Apr. 12, 2026, 
 Seattle Times
 An article entitled, ``Rupert Murdoch's High-Stakes Blitz 
 Against the NFL,'' May 7, 2026, The Wall Street Journal
 An article entitled, ``Paramount's WBD takeover explained: 
 How the US $111 billion deal could reshape sports 
 media,'' Mar. 25, 2026 , Sports Pro

 QUESTIONS AND RESPONSES FOR THE RECORD

Questions and responses from Curtis LeGeyt, President and Chief 
 Executive Officer, National Association of Broadcasters, 
 submitted by the Honorable Henry C. ``Hank'' Johnson, Jr., a 
 Member of the Subcommittee on the Administrative State, 
 Regulatory Reform, and Antitrust from the State of Georgia, for 
 the record
Questions for Jim Hallers, Founder and Managing Partner, 
 Citizen's Grill, and Clay Travis, President, OutKick Media, 
 submitted by the Honorable Darrell Issa, Member of the 
 Subcommittee on the Administrative State, Regulatory Reform, 
 and Antitrust from the State of California, for the record
 No response received at the time of publication

 
 EXAMINING THE SPORTS BROADCASTING ACT

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 Wednesday, June 10, 2026

 House of Representatives

 Subcommittee on the Administrative State,

 Regulatory Reform, and Antitrust

 Committee on the Judiciary

 Washington, DC

 The Committee met, pursuant to notice, at 10 a.m., in Room 
2141, Rayburn House Office Building, the Hon. Scott Fitzgerald 
[Chair of the Subcommittee] presiding.
 Members present: Representatives Fitzgerald, Jordan, Issa, 
Cline, Gooden, Hageman, Harris, Schmidt, Baumgartner, Nadler, 
Raskin, Correa, Balint, Lofgren, and Johnson.
 Mr. Fitzgerald. The Subcommittee will come to order. 
Without objection, the Chair is authorized to declare a recess 
at any time. We welcome everyone to today's hearing on the 
Sports Broadcasting Act.
 I will now recognize myself for an opening statement. Today 
we are here to examine the antitrust exemption granted under 
the Sports Broadcasting Act of 1961, and whether it continues 
to serve the interests of American consumers. The Sports 
Broadcasting Act was enacted at a very different time in 
American history. In the late 1950s and early 1960s, 
professional football was still developing into a national 
enterprise.
 At the time, each team controlled its own broadcasting 
rights and would negotiate with networks to televise individual 
games. To promote competition and ensure the success of its 
league, the NFL amended its bylaws to prevent teams from 
broadcasting in each other's territory. However, the Department 
of Justice viewed that restriction as anticompetitive and sued 
the league for violating the Sherman Act.
 In 1953 the District Court largely sided with the DOJ and 
issued an injunction preventing the NFL from placing 
restrictions on televising games in the home territory of a 
team playing an away game. In 1961, the NFL moved to limit the 
distribution of games again, signing the first deal to sell 
broadcast rights for all 14 of its teams as a single package.
 When the District Court again said no, the NFL turned to 
Congress for help. Just a few months later, Congress passed the 
Sports Broadcasting Act of 1961, which allowed the leagues to 
pool their individual broadcasting rights for sale to a single 
purchaser. The rationale was simple, Congress believed that 
joint television agreements would help make games more widely 
available to the public.
 It also would preserve the competitive balance among the 
different teams and keep the professional sports leagues 
financially viable. In exchange, Congress sought to maximize 
the public interest by limiting the exemption to only quote, 
``Sponsored telecasting,'' ensuring fans continue to have free 
access to their favorite sports teams.
 Sixty-five years later, however, it is fair for this body 
to ask whether the professional sports leagues have kept up 
their end of the bargain. In my opinion, they have not, and 
sports fans are paying the price because of it. The NFL for 
example, boasts that 100 percent of its quote, ``Local market 
games,'' are available free over the air, and that it offers 
the most fan and broadcaster friendly model in the entire 
sports and entertainment industry.
 How it chooses to define local market games each week 
leaves fans across the country guessing whether they will be 
able to see their favorite team on TV, or whether they need to 
buy a subscription. For example, according to the NFL's 
distribution schedule for week three games last season, fans in 
Southern Indiana would not see the Indianapolis Colts on their 
local market.
 Same for Houston fans in Northeast Texas. Despite living in 
the same State as their favorite football team, fans are 
subjected to arbitrary restrictions imposed by the NFL that 
force them into buying a premium subscription model. This is 
precisely why NFL Sunday Ticket is advertised to fans as 
necessary to ensure they can watch every regular season game of 
their favorite team.
 The NFL's claim of a fan friendly distribution model also 
defies the reality experienced by millions of NFL fans 
nationwide. The NFL fans generally have access to only three or 
four games on a Sunday afternoon, with the rest available only 
through Sunday Ticket. Compare that with the current college 
football model, where fans can access dozens of games across 
various television channels on a Saturday afternoon.
 Since 2021, the NFL, along with the other sports leagues, 
have stretched the bounds of its exemption to sign exclusive 
distribution agreements with streaming platforms, including 
Amazon Prime, Netflix, Peacock, and ESPN. This includes the 
Packers, the Green Bay Packers games on Thanksgiving Evening, 
and Christmas Day, which will be broadcast exclusively on 
Netflix, outside of the local market.
 It has also begun shifting some programming to Saturdays, 
which goes against the original intent of the law, which was to 
preserve Friday night high school, and Saturday college 
football. Consumers who wish to follow their favorite teams 
increasingly find themselves paying for multiple services, 
navigating fragmented viewing arrangements, and facing higher 
overall costs.
 According to Fox News, to have access to all NFL games in 
the 2025 season it would cost the average sports fan at least 
$575, or upwards of $800 for those without existing 
subscriptions. To which all in market MLB games can likewise 
cost a consumer upwards of $500 annually, according to the news 
site Kiplinger.
 A sports fan without a traditional linear TV package must 
now have on average four different streaming services to watch 
the bulk of major sporting events. The Sports Broadcasting Act 
was designed to facilitate the distribution of games through 
free, over the air television.
 It was not intended to provide a perpetual shield for 
leagues to coordinate the sale of media rights across every new 
technology and distribution platform that emerges, yet that is 
effectively what has happened. Today the major leagues, in 
particularly the National Football League, have used the 
antitrust exemption to collectively negotiate increasingly 
lucrative media distribution contracts that go far beyond the 
circumstances Congress contemplated in 1961.
 Following passage of the Sports Broadcasting Act, then NFL 
Commissioner Pete Rozelle signed a TV deal worth $4.65 million. 
Nearly 60 years later the NFL signed an 11-year media deal 
worth $113 billion. The NBA first TV contract after passage of 
the SBA was for $27 million. In 2024 the league signed an 11-
year deal worth $76 billion.
 While the leagues are undoubtedly more popular than they 
were in 1961, because they do not follow America's antitrust 
laws for television agreements, they can charge consumers 
inflated prices that would otherwise be illegal. The NFL argues 
that its distribution model is needed to maintain competitive 
balance, and keep teams financially viable, and that is fair.
 Most sports fans appreciate it when teams can compete on 
the merits, rather than through an arms race, like what we see 
today with college football. The NFL and its teams are not in 
the same financial position as they were in 1961. Under the 
NFL's first media distribution contract, each team receives 
approximately $310,000 per year.
 In 2025, each team received $416 million from the league's 
national media sponsorship and licensing revenue. Not to make 
it personal, but Commissioner Rozelle's salary in 1961 was 
$60,000. Commissioner Goodell's salary today is reportedly over 
$60 million. In 1999, Dan Snyder purchased the now Washington 
Commanders for $800 million.
 Today, despite having only one playoff win in the last 25 
years, sorry Commanders fans, the Commanders are presently 
valued at over $7 billion. The NFL now reaches hundreds of 
millions of fans across dozens of international markets. The 
NFL is not a fragile enterprise in need of special protection. 
It is one of the most successful and powerful entertainment 
businesses in the world, and it pays its players and staff 
accordingly.
 To suggest that teams could not remain competitive without 
an antitrust exemption is simply false. It also falsely 
suggests that Congress, not the NFL, controls revenue sharing, 
which is also inaccurate. The question before Congress is not 
whether professional sports teams will continue to compete 
without this exemption, the question is whether consumers 
continue to benefit from it.
 The evidence increasingly suggests they do not. The NFL's 
ongoing Sunday Ticket litigation further illustrates this 
point. In 2024, a jury found the NFL guilty of violating 
antitrust law for colluding to limit consumer choice, and 
charged super competitive prices for access to games through 
its Sunday Ticket platform.
 The jury awarded plaintiffs a judgment of over $14 billion 
against the NFL. This ruling is currently on appeal, but 
regardless of the litigation's final outcome, the allegations 
themselves reflect a broader reality. The NFL has used its 
unique ability to coordinate among otherwise competitive clubs 
to maximize revenue rather than expanding consumer access.
 Congress only grants antitrust exemptions in rare 
circumstances because competition remains the best mechanism 
for promoting innovation and protecting consumers. Exemptions 
should be maintained only when there are benefits that clearly 
outweigh the costs.
 When the beneficiaries of an exemption begin using it to 
restrict access, increase prices, and strengthen their own 
market power beyond what Congress intended, lawmakers, Congress 
have an obligation to reconsider whether that exemption remains 
justified. The Sports Broadcasting Act was enacted to expand 
access to sports broadcasting, not to facilitate exclusive 
streaming arrangements that force fans to pay more for less.
 In my view, the NFL seems to have lost sight of the 
original purpose of the legislation, and in fact they may even 
be in violation of the law right now. Today, I hope we can have 
a constructive debate about what reforms if any Congress should 
consider to ensure a marketplace that works best for consumers.
 Mr. Fitzgerald. I now recognize the Ranking Member, Mr. 
Nadler, for his opening statement.
 Mr. Nadler. Thank you, Mr. Chair. Mr. Chair, for years I 
have been warning this Committee about the dangers of unchecked 
consolidation in the American media industry. I have written 
letters, I have led oversight efforts, and I have called for 
serious antitrust review of the deals that have steadily 
concentrated our newsrooms, our studios, and our broadcasting 
infrastructure into the hands of fewer and fewer companies.
 For years the Majority has turned a blind eye to these 
warnings. Today, we are here to examine the Sports Broadcasting 
Act of 1961, and I want to be clear at the outset, this law 
absolutely deserves a serious reexamination, it was written for 
a media landscape that no longer exists. American sports fans 
are paying more, getting less, and navigating a fragmented 
streaming environment that the 1961 Congress could not possibly 
have anticipated.
 The reform of this law is a legitimate subject for 
congressional attention, but you cannot examine the Sports 
Broadcasting Act in a vacuum, and that is exactly what the 
Majority is asking us to do today. The same administration that 
has suddenly discovered a concern for NFL fans has over the 
past year waved through one of the most aggressive waves of 
media consolidation in modern American history.
 Just last summer the FCC approved the Skydance-Paramount 
merger, but only after the Ellison family paid the President a 
$16 million contribution to his Presidential library, threw in 
millions more in free advertising, agreed to install a Trump 
friendly minder in the CBS newsroom, and saw to the 
cancellation of the Late Show with Stephen Colbert.
 The result, as Ranking Member Raskin and I have warned this 
Committee repeatedly, was not antitrust review, it was a 
shakedown. Now, the same Ellison family is back, this time 
bidding for Warner Bros. Discovery, in a deal that would give 
them not only CBS and Paramount, but also CNN, HBO, and one of 
the largest collections of sportscasting rights in the country.
 The President has publicly announced that he intends to be 
involved in the decision. The Ellisons have reported they 
already promised him quote, ``Sweeping changes at CNN.''
 The same play book that worked for Skydance-Paramount is 
being run again, with the same beneficiaries, the same victims, 
and the same silence from this administration's antitrust 
regulators.
 This is a First Amendment crisis dressed up as an innocuous 
business deal. When this President can use the merger review 
process to extract editorial control over a major news network, 
it represents a significant threat to our democracy, and our 
constitutional liberties. When the FCC can be used to retaliate 
against ABC for airing a Jimmy Kimmel monologue the White House 
did not like, no broadcaster in this country is safe.
 The story that 60 Minutes was forced to delay about lawless 
deportations, and the firing of high-profile correspondents 
like Scott Pelley are a preview of the censorship regime these 
mergers are enabling. All this unchecked consolidation aided by 
corruption in the administration must inform our consideration 
of the sports broadcasting landscape.
 The merger of CBS Sports and Turner Sports under one 
corporate roof would create a sports rights portfolio rivaled 
only by ESPN, encompassing rights to the NHL, the NFL, the 
Olympics, the UFC, the PGA Tour, the Big 10, Big 12, NCAA 
Basketball, and the Champion's League. Fewer competitors 
bidding for sports rights means higher monthly bills for every 
American family, sports fans or not.
 Last Congress I joined my colleagues in writing to the 
Department of Justice about the proposed venue sports joint 
venture between Disney, Fox, and Warner Bros. Discovery. 
Eventually it would have given three of the largest media 
companies in the country control over the sports streaming 
market.
 A Federal judge agreed with us, granted an injunction, and 
the Biden antitrust division filed a powerful amicus brief 
detailing the anticompetitive effects of that arrangement. Last 
year, the Trump Justice Department cleared Disney's acquisition 
of Fubo, the very company that had brought the antitrust case 
in the first place. The result was exactly what we warned 
about.
 A competitor knocked out, a market consolidated, and 
consumers left with higher prices, and fewer choices. Now, we 
are here to discuss the NFL, not because the Majority has 
introduced any legislation to address the high cost of sports 
viewership, but because Rupert Murdoch personally lobbied the 
President at a White House dinner in February, warning that the 
NFL's streaming deals would quote, ``kill broadcast networks 
like Fox.''
 Within weeks of that dinner, the Justice Department opened 
the investigation that is the stated reason for today's 
hearing. Yes, we should reform the Sports Broadcasting Act, 
fans are being asked to pay too much across too many platforms 
just to watch their favorite teams. We cannot pretend we are 
doing the work of consumer protection when we examine the SBA 
in isolation while the administration facilitates the very 
consolidation that is driving up the cost, we claim to be 
concerned about.
 I have called for a full investigation into the corruption 
at this administration's Department of Justice and Federal 
Communications Commission, and I will continue to do so. We 
cannot have an honest conversation about the Sports 
Broadcasting Act or any antitrust matter when the agencies 
responsible for enforcing our competition laws have been turned 
into instruments of political and personal favor.
 Before I yield back, we cannot discuss anything related to 
sports today without taking note of the most important sports 
story happening in this country today. By that, I mean the New 
York Knicks drive for an NBA championship. Tonight, is game 
four, and as long as Donald Trump stays far away from Madison 
Square Garden, the Knicks should do fine. Let's go Knicks.
 Thank you, Mr. Chair, I yield back.
 Mr. Fitzgerald. Gratuitous plug by the Member from New York 
for the Knicks. With that, I will recognize the Chair of the 
Full Committee, Mr. Jordan, for his opening statement.
 Chair Jordan. Thank you, Mr. Chair. We have an antitrust 
law in America, we have had it for over a hundred years, in 
simple terms you can't collude, you can't form a cartel, 
operate a cartel, and the reason we have that is we want 
competition, because that is good for the consumer, simple 
terms.
 In 1961, the NFL came to Congress and said we need relief 
from this law when it comes to our TV agreement. If you don't 
let us combine our resources to negotiate with the networks as 
a group, and collude on this, we will go out of business, that 
is what they told us. Their argument was a good argument, I get 
it, they said bigger markets will get bigger deals, better 
deals.
 New York, Chicago, and L.A., they will get better deals 
than Pittsburgh, Cleveland, and Green Bay, and Congress bought 
it. Congress said OK, we don't want the smaller market teams to 
go out of business, we want a league, we like this product, 
America loves this product, and so Congress enacted the Sports 
Broadcasting Act in 1961.
 As the Chair and the Ranking Member said, ``the situation 
today is a little different.'' What is the situation today? 
What is the situation today? Sports Broadcasting Act 1961, what 
is the situation today? On Sunday afternoon you can watch games 
on broadcast television, Fox and CBS. On Sunday night you can 
get the games on broadcast television NBC.
 On Monday night games are on satellite and cable, 
television, ESPN, on Thursday night games are streamed on 
Amazon, on Thanksgiving games are on broadcast, satellite, 
cable, or streaming, on Christmas broadcast, satellite, cable, 
or streaming, and there is some I am missing in there because 
playoffs get different and everything else.
 That is the situation today. In fact, we described it in 
our report, here is what the fan deals with today. In our 
report, a Green Bay Packers fan who grew up in Dallas, Texas, 
grew up in Green Bay, loves the Packers, wants to watch the 
Packers, grew up in Dallas, Texas.
 For the 2026 season the Packers are scheduled to play eight 
games on Fox, two games on Amazon Prime video, two games on 
Netflix, two games on NBC, one game on ESPN, one game on CBS, 
and one unscheduled game that is left to be determined by the 
NFL. The fans will need access to Amazon Prime video, Netflix, 
NBC, and ESPN to see the seven games scheduled for those 
services.
 For the nine games scheduled for Fox and CBS, the fan will 
likely need Fox and CBS because some of the games will be on 
broadcast television in Dallas. The fan will also likely need 
Sunday Ticket just to watch some subset of the nine Fox, CBS 
games because the fan will not know which games will and will 
not be on broadcast until the NFL and relevant networks release 
the broadcast maps the week of the games.
 That is what they have got to navigate. That is what they 
have got to navigate. We are here today to deal with the 
fundamental question, does this still work for consumers? Maybe 
it does, we haven't reached some type of conclusion, we just 
know the situation, we know what our constituents, and what our 
fans are telling us, the folks we have the privilege of 
representing in our respective districts.
 We want to know if it still works, and maybe it does, we 
all love this product, everyone loves football, we all love to 
watch it, we all love the Super Bowl, the playoffs, your 
hometown team, we all love that. We know one thing, we are 
asking the question does it work for consumers? We know it is 
working for the NFL, we know it is working for them.
 In 1961, adjusted for inflation, 14 teams in the league, 
guess what each team got paid in the TV deal, $3.37 million. In 
2025, 32 teams, guess what each team got in the deal, $443 
million. A 100 times more, almost a half a billion dollars. 
Again, that may be just fine, but that is the TV deal, that is 
not counting tickets, and
T-shirts, and in stadium advertisement, and all the other 
stuff.
 We are here to answer one simple question because we are 
the Judiciary Committee, we have an antitrust law, we have to 
do our jobs. Does this still benefit consumers, and the 
consumer welfare the way it is supposed to? With that I will 
yield back to the Chair and let me just say I appreciate the 
witnesses being here, sorry I am running a little late.
 I was in an important hearing over in the House 
Administration Committee on ActBlue and all the crazy things 
they have been up to. I appreciate you all being here.
 I yield back.
 Mr. Fitzgerald. The Chair yields back. I now recognize the 
Ranking Member of the Full Committee, Mr. Raskin, for his 
opening statement.
 Mr. Raskin. Thank you very much, Mr. Chair. Thank you for 
taking us, I was over in an important meeting in the House 
Administration Committee that should have been about WinRed, 
and all the crazy things it is doing. I agree with my 
Republican colleagues that the basic framework of the Sports 
Broadcasting Act is worth revisiting, given how much has 
changed since it was enacted 65 years ago.
 When I was growing up, and for much of the life of the 
Sports Broadcasting Act, there were just three networks on the 
airwaves, and all you needed to do to watch your favorite team 
play on Sunday was a TV and an antenna. Today an NFL fan must 
spend between $500 and $1,000 dollars every single season in 
subscriptions to different platforms and streaming 
subscriptions just to effectively cheer on their home team.
 It seems fundamentally unfair that the league should get 
billion-dollar deals, the networks should get billion-dollar 
contracts, but the fans are left out in the cold, that hardly 
captures the spirit of the antitrust exemption that Congress 
passed in 1961. What I have trouble computing however today is 
why the Majority is focused on this narrow issue against the 
backdrop of the most sweeping, aggressive media consolidation 
in American history.
 Time and again the administration has allowed giant media 
companies to merge, leaving consumers with fewer choices, 
higher prices, and less power. They waved through Disney's 
acquisition of Fubo, and ESPN's acquisition of NFL Network, 
resulting in greater consolidation, and dramatically reduced 
competition in the sports rights market.
 They turned a blind eye to the Nexstar-TEGNA merger, which 
would give one company broadcast reach into 80 percent of 
households in the United States, and thereby lead to increased 
blackouts for sports fans, and higher prices for everybody. 
Now, the Paramount-Skydance, Warner Bros. Discovery merger, 
which President Trump personally muscled through after breaking 
up a deal between Netflix and Warner is sailing through Trump's 
politicized Executive Branch review process.
 Last month Ranking Member Pallone and I wrote to Paramount 
Skydance's CEO David Ellison about this pending merger. We 
pointed out that less than a year after Trump blessed Ellison's 
takeover of Paramount Global, which includes Paramount 
Pictures, CBS, BET, MTV, Nickelodeon, Comedy Central, and 
streaming services Paramount Plus and Pluto.
 He is now arranging for David Ellison to add Warner Bros. 
Studios, DC Entertainment, HBO, CNN, the Discovery Channel, 
HGTV, Cartoon Network, TBS, and TNT, as well as HBO and 
Discovery's streaming services to this awesome media 
conglomerate. If this deal goes through, the Ellisons, one 
family of Trump mega donors and enablers will have managed to 
purchase an unparalleled sports and news empire in just one 
year.
 That means the same kind of unprecedented pro-MAGA 
editorial control we have seen at CBS News and 60 Minutes, 
including the appointment of a full time paid MAGA minder, a 
government spy and censor in the newsroom, that could occur at 
CNN. That means American consumers who already pay an average 
$69 a month for streaming, on top of a hundred a month for 
cable, and 78 for internet paying even more for sports news and 
entertainment.
 In the face of this profound consolidation, an antitrust 
crisis sweeping the media market, why is the Majority focused 
just on the NFL? Why is the Trump Administration, through the 
DOJ, and the FCC investigating the NFL, but not other parties 
in the market that threaten even far worse harm to consumers 
and competitive dynamics in the market? Well, it turns out that 
early in this administration, this is according to The Wall 
Street Journal.
 The Fox Corporation Chair Rupert Murdoch personally lobbied 
Donald Trump at a White House dinner to crack down on the NFL 
streaming deals. Streaming deals that compete directly with 
Fox's broadcast business. The DOJ's investigation, like this 
hearing, appear to be all about helping Mr. Murdoch get a 
better broadcast deal for Fox.
 That hardly seems like a principled or methodical way for 
us to proceed. The Majority has offered no legislation to 
reform the Sports Broadcasting Act, they call no hearings on 
the Ellison's corrupt Paramount Skydance, Warner Bros. 
Discovery merger, or the deep corruption at the heart of the 
Paramount Skydance merger.
 They have not called a single Trump Administration 
antitrust official to come testify before this Subcommittee 
about the political destabilization and saturation of the 
antitrust process of review in the administration. In fact, the 
only Trump era antitrust official to appear before this 
Committee this entire Congress was a Democratic called witness, 
Roger Alford.
 Who was fired by the Trump Administration for refusing to 
participate in the pay-to-play corruption of the DOJ's 
antitrust divisions. Despite being a political appointee, 
including serving as the No. 2 at DOJ's Antitrust Division in 
the second Trump Administration, he was so appalled by what he 
saw that he bravely decided to blow the whistle on how this 
administration is every day selling out American consumers to 
mega donors and their White House connected lobbyists.
 This selective interest suggests that the majority have 
little interest in conducting real oversight here or promoting 
real competition in the economy. They are doing nothing to 
protect American consumers, workers, or innovation. Instead, 
they are siding with big corporations striving for monopoly 
profits that jack up prices for everybody and depress wages 
while offering inferior goods and services.
 Commissioner Gomez, we are watching the alarming 
consequences for the First Amendment, emboldened by its efforts 
to capture CBS and CNN, the Trump Administration has now turned 
its attention to ABC and its parent company, Disney, which you 
warned are facing a quote, ``Sustained, coordinated campaign of 
censorship and control from the Trump Administration,'' and 
this is what I will ask you about.
 I yield back to you, Mr. Chair.
 Mr. Fitzgerald. The Ranking Member yields back. Without 
objection, all other opening statements will be included in the 
record. We will now introduce today's witnesses.
 Mr. Jim Hallers. Mr. Hallers is the Founder and Managing 
Partner of Tailgaters Pub & Grill, and Citizens Grill, two 
restaurants in the Houston area. He has owned and operated more 
than two dozen restaurants and bars over the years.
 Mr. Curtis LeGeyt. Mr. LeGeyt is the President and Chief 
Executive Officer of the National Association of Broadcasters, 
an organization that advocates on behalf of television and 
radio broadcasters. He previously served as the organization's 
Chief Operating Officer, and its Executive Vice President for 
government relations.
 Mr. Clay Travis. Mr. Travis is the founder, and President 
of Outkick Media, maybe not at this point, I am not sure, we 
need to update that text, a sports and culture news company 
that we are all familiar with. He previously worked as an 
attorney, college football analyst, and commentator, and as a 
columnist for CBS Sports.
 He is also half of the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton 
syndicated radio show, which is broadcast across America.
 Ms. Anna Gomez. Ms. Gomez is a Commissioner of the Federal 
Communications Commission. She has served in the role since 
September 2023. Ms. Gomez previously served in the State 
Department, and various staff level roles at the FCC. We 
welcome our witnesses and thank them for appearing today.
 We will begin by swearing you in. Would you please rise and 
raise your right hand? Do you swear or affirm under penalty of 
perjury that the testimony you are about to give is true and 
correct to the best of your knowledge, information, and belief, 
so help you God?
 Let the record reflect that the witnesses have answered in 
the affirmative. Thank you, please be seated.
 Please know that your written testimony will be entered 
into the record in its entirety. Accordingly, we ask you that 
you summarize your testimony in five minutes.
 Mr. Hallers, you may begin.

 STATEMENT OF JIM HALLERS

 Mr. Hallers. Thank you, Chair Fitzgerald, and Ranking 
Member Nadler, and the Members of the Committee. My name is Jim 
Hallers, and I am the Founder and Managing Partner of 
Tailgaters Pub & Grill and Citizens Grill in the Houston area. 
Since 2009, I have built and operated sports bars and 
restaurants that today employ over 400 team members.
 Before entering the restaurant business, I spent 25 years 
in information technology, working with software and technology 
infrastructure. That background is important because the 
challenge I am here to discuss today is not just about 
football. It is about technology, distribution, and the 
unintended impact these changes have on small businesses.
 My restaurants are built around the game day experience. 
Every Sunday during football season, hundreds of customers come 
to watch their favorite teams while enjoying food, drinks, and 
time with family and friends. The NFL Sunday Ticket has long 
been a critical part of that experience. For my businesses, 
Sunday Ticket is not simply entertainment.
 It is an economic driver, it supports jobs, generates tax 
revenue, and helps local suppliers, vendors, and employees earn 
a living. In Texas many of our customers have actually moved 
from other parts of the country. On any given Sunday I may have 
fans of the Texans, Steelers, Packers, Eagles, Bears, Bills, 
and even the Cowboys watching games in the same building.
 Offering every game is not a luxury for a sports bar, it is 
a customer expectation. Historically, we met that expectation 
through DIRECTV's commercial Sunday Ticket package. It was 
expensive, but it was reliable, and relatively straight 
forward. Today the sports media landscape has become 
increasingly fragmented.
 Games and programming are spread across multiple streaming 
platforms. What may seem like a simple change for a consumer at 
home becomes a significant operational challenge for a 
restaurant. My business depends heavily on two seasons right 
now, football season, and crawfish season. While crawfish 
season depends on mother nature, football season depends on the 
NFL, and the technology systems that deliver the games.
 When those systems become fragmented, expensive, and 
unreliable, it directly affects my bottom line. To deliver 
games across dozens of televisions, we need today additional 
streaming devices, switching equipment, network infrastructure, 
and extra internet capacity. A full transition can require a 
$30,000-40,000 investment per location to show the current 
version of Sunday Ticket through EverPass.
 The challenge is not just cost, it is reliability. A sports 
bar may need to stream multiple games simultaneously, while 
also supporting point of sale systems, credit card processing, 
online ordering, security systems, business operations, and 
customer Wi-Fi. When a stream freezes during a critical play, 
the customers do not blame the provider, they blame the 
restaurant.
 As the industry continues moving toward streaming, I am not 
asking Congress to stop innovation. Technology changes, and 
businesses adapt. What I am asking is that policymakers 
recognize the unique role that restaurants and sports bars play 
in the sports ecosystem. We are not passive viewers; we are 
really community gathering places that invest substantial 
resources to bring fans together.
 As Congress examines the Sports Broadcasting Act, and the 
future of sports media distribution, I encourage you to 
consider the practical impact that these changes have on 
commercial establishments. We need transitions that are 
reliable, economically realistic, and mindful of all the small 
businesses that help deliver the game day experience to 
millions of Americans.
 The restaurants and sports bars like mine create jobs, 
support local communities, and provide a place where fans come 
together to share experiences that are increasingly rare in 
modern life. I want to thank you all for the opportunity to 
testify, and I look forward to your questions.
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 Mr. Fitzgerald. Thank you, Mr. Hallers. Mr. LeGeyt, you may 
begin.

 STATEMENT OF CURTIS LEGEYT

 Mr. LeGeyt. Good morning, Chair Fitzgerald, Ranking Members 
Raskin and Nadler, and the Members of the Subcommittee. My name 
is Curtis LeGeyt, and I am the President and CEO of the 
National Association of Broadcasters. I am proud to testify 
today on behalf of America's local broadcast television 
stations, and the networks with which they affiliate.
 Our members serve every community in the country with 
trusted journalism, emergency information, weather, 
entertainment, and of course sports. All available free over 
the air. The Sports Broadcasting Act was built on a simple 
public interest bargain. Professional sports leagues received a 
limited antitrust exemption so they could pool and sell 
broadcast rights, and fans received broad public access to 
games.
 In 1961, Congress considered the scope of that exemption 
carefully, and explicitly applied it only to sponsor 
telecasting, not subscription television. Congress was clear, 
the law is about free over-the-air broadcasting, not pay walls. 
For decades that bargain worked, fans could watch most games 
for free on local broadcast television.
 Leagues benefited from the unmatched reach of broadcasting, 
stations benefited from live sports programming that helps 
support local news, weather, and emergency coverage. 
Communities benefited because sports became part of our shared 
cultural experience. Yet, today it is increasingly apparent 
that the public access goals of that bargain are no longer 
being met.
 Games from the four major professional leagues are now 
spread across Amazon Prime, Netflix, YouTube TV, and Apple TV. 
Fans increasingly need multiple paid subscriptions to watch 
their favorite teams, and survey after survey shows fans are 
confused and frustrated. Some estimates suggest that accessing 
every NFL game over the course of a season would cost a 
consumer well over a thousand dollars.
 That is a long way from the broad, free access Congress 
intended when it created the SBA. This is especially troubling 
because attending games in person has become unaffordable for 
many families as well. When fans are priced out of the stadium, 
and games are moved behind pay walls, the public loses twice.
 Amidst all of this, broadcast television remains the most 
consumer-friendly platform in America. We are free, we are 
local, we do not require a monthly fee, a broadband connection, 
or a separate app. We reach rural communities, seniors, low-
income households, and casual fans who may not subscribe to 
multiple streaming services. This is why games on broadcast 
deliver massive audiences relative to their streaming 
competitors.
 For example, NFL games on CBS, Fox, and NBC this past 
Thanksgiving averaged 44.7 million viewers per game, while 
Amazon's game, the following day on Black Friday, drew only 16 
million viewers. It is also why local teams that have moved 
games from regional sports networks to broadcast television 
have seen their ratings surge. Importantly, the stakes for your 
constituents extend beyond sports.
 The advertising and carriage revenues delivered by live 
sporting events help pay for coverage of city halls, school 
boards, elections, severe weather, public safety, and community 
events. When tornadoes, wildfires, or other emergencies 
threaten lives, local broadcasters are there. In contrast, big 
tech does not invest in local newsrooms, and they are not on 
the ground after the storm.
 In conclusion, live sports on free broadcast television 
have served the American public for generations. Together we 
have built shared national moments, strengthened communities, 
expanded fan bases, and supported local journalism. That model 
is now at risk. Fans are paying more and receiving less.
 Meanwhile, local stations are competing against global tech 
platforms that can subsidize their sports rights with revenue 
from entirely different businesses. In 1961, Congress was right 
to put fans first and NAB is not asking to eliminate the Sports 
Broadcasting Act. This Committee should reaffirm that the SBA 
applies only to league-wide negotiations with media companies 
that will distribute games through broadcast television, not 
lock games behind streaming pay walls.
 Thank you for the opportunity to testify today, and I look 
forward to your questions.
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 Mr. Fitzgerald. Thank you, Mr. LeGeyt. Mr. Travis, you may 
begin.

 STATEMENT OF CURTIS TRAVIS

 Mr. Travis. Mr. Chair, I appreciate the invite today. Mr. 
Nadler, I enjoy, and appreciate the opportunity to speak to all 
of you. My name is Clay Travis, I founded a site called OutKick 
in 2011, if you haven't gone yet you should, it is the sanest 
site in all of sports. A big part of what we do on that site, 
and what I have done for the past 22 years in my career is 
advocate for the average sports fan.
 Many of you are lawyers, and you are familiar with the 
standard of a reasonable man. How would someone respond in a 
context in the law? I would like to advocate here for the 
reasonable fan. I just asked before I started speaking today, 
my followers on X, what would you say if you had the 
opportunity today to speak to Democrats, Republicans, to 
everyone across the country about your experience as a sports 
fan?
 I would encourage you guys to go look at the responses 
there, hundreds of them have all come in, none of them are 
happy. Every single day sports fans are getting gouged now for 
the opportunity of watching their favorite teams. I would say 
under the Sports Broadcasting Act, as a very easy summation, 
fans now pay far more money every year for something that by 
law in 1961 you all guaranteed for them should be free.
 For anyone out there who is saying why is Congress involved 
in this, you interjected yourself in 1961 at the behest of 
these leagues to provide them an exemption that they have now 
taken advantage of, and they are gouging so many different fans 
out there across the entire sports landscape, regardless of who 
you are a fan of.
 Let me hit you with just a couple of ideas. The NFL in 
particular, CBS, Fox, NBC, ESPN, ABC, Amazon, Netflix, the NFL 
Sunday Ticket, Paramount, Peacock, most of your constituents 
are frustrated, they don't know how to find games, and they are 
having to pay far too much when they have the opportunity to 
actually watch those games.
 I don't know how many of you remember back in the day when 
you could have one remote control in your hand, and you could 
easily flip from any different game. Nowadays, with passwords, 
with sign-ins, how many of your constituents, on an average 
Saturday or Sunday, are extremely frustrated because they just 
can't even get logged in to watch their favorite games?
 These are things that they are already paying for. I hear 
from fans every single day about how frustrated they are with 
what the leagues are doing, they just want to be able to watch 
their favorite team and not have to struggle to do so. Think 
about this perspective, remember when flat screen televisions 
were very expensive? I spent $4,200 in 2006 on my first ever 
flat screen television.
 Now, they are a few hundred dollars. Capitalism has worked 
when it comes to flat screen television. Sports fans now can 
watch huge flat screens in their home for a fraction of the 
cost that they paid in 2006, but they now have to pay a massive 
amount to be able to watch all their favorite teams.
 Your investigation has actually uncovered that the NFL 
Sunday Ticket, which is one of the most expensive packages out 
there, the NFL doesn't even offer to the average fan what they 
actually want, which is the ability to subscribe to their 
favorite team if they live out of market.
 Something that many of you know all about because you 
travel all the time, and you probably want to watch your 
favorite NFL team, your local constituent team. You don't have 
the ability to do it; they don't offer that product even though 
the marketplace is telling them that is what people most want. 
I love college football, I love the NFL, I have three boys, we 
spend all day Saturday and Sunday watching games.
 In the college football world, you know I get ten broadcast 
games for free every single Saturday. The market for college 
football is robust. In the NFL, at most you only get four. The 
NFL is going to argue that 87 percent of their games are still 
free. That still means that they are violating the law with 13 
percent of the games that they are putting behind streamers.
 It also means that the reality is if you look at your 
individual constituents, none of them are getting 87 percent. 
Let me close with this one example here, and I look forward to 
your questions. Buffalo Bills, great new stadium opening, $850 
million in taxpayer funds. Their very first home game is on a 
Thursday on Amazon.
 Most of the taxpayers in the State of New York who paid for 
that stadium are not able to watch for free a Buffalo Bills 
home opener. That is wrong, you guys have an important 
responsibility, and an opportunity to apply the law fairly, 
freely, and help fans everywhere across the entire Nation pay 
less and get more. Thank you.
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 Mr. Fitzgerald. Thank you, Mr. Travis. Ms. Gomez, you may 
begin.

 STATEMENT OF ANNA M. GOMEZ

 Ms. Gomez. Chair Jordan, Ranking Member Raskin, Chair 
Fitzgerald, Ranking Member Nadler, and the distinguished 
Members of the Committee, thank you for the opportunity to 
testify today. In living rooms and sports bars across the 
country, millions of Americans who may agree on little else 
will be gathered tonight to watch the NBA finals, rooting 
together for their respective team.
 There are few things left in American life that cut across 
every line of division the way sports does, and I say that as a 
proud National and Wizards fan who knows exactly what it feels 
like to believe that your team might actually pull it off this 
year. We are living through a genuinely remarkable era for 
sports fans, more games, more leagues, more athletes, and more 
stories are accessible today than any previous generation could 
have imagined.
 At the same time the economics of how fans actually watch 
have shifted in ways that deserve serious attention. What used 
to arrive through an antenna available to anyone regardless of 
income, has increasingly migrated behind a growing stack of 
subscriptions and league specific apps. For a family trying to 
follow their team through a full season, the cost of piecing 
together across multiple platforms adds up quickly.
 How we ensure sports content remains accessible and 
available to all Americans is a question I want to situate 
within a much broader set of concerns about who controls the 
media that carries the games, and what they are doing with that 
power. The FCC has a legitimate interest in helping gather 
information about how the Sports Broadcasting Act is 
functioning in a changing media environment.
 I support efforts to ensure fans can access their teams 
without paying a fortune. When sports programming migrates 
behind pay walls, fans lose access, local broadcasters lose the 
revenue that keeps their stations alive, and the local 
journalism those stations produce loses the funding on which it 
depends. I also want to be candid about where the FCC's 
authority ends.
 The commission can gather information, raise concerns, and 
call out fouls when we see them. Any meaningful update to the 
Sports Broadcasting Act would ultimately require legislative 
action. Despite growing public concern about the challenges 
facing the media ecosystem, this administration does not appear 
to be prioritizing consumer protection.
 According to reports, the scrutiny now being applied to 
sports leagues through government agencies like the FCC and DOJ 
appears to be driven less by a genuine interest in protecting 
fans, and more by the influence of powerful media companies 
with close ties to this administration that stand to benefit 
financially from the outcome of that scrutiny.
 I have called this pattern the billionaire buddy bypass, 
where the public interest gets bypassed in favor of a powerful 
few, and it extends well beyond sports broadcasting, into a 
sweeping consolidation of media power that poses serious risks 
to journalism, to free expression, and to the Americans that 
depend on both. That consolidation is where I want to spend the 
remainder of my time, because the stakes are high, and the 
pattern is clear.
 When the FCC unlawfully waived Federal law to let one 
broadcaster reach 80 percent of local television households, 
more than double the cap set by Congress by statute, it 
signaled it was willing to move the goalpost for the entire 
industry for the right relationship.
 When Paramount settled a baseless lawsuit just two days 
before its merger with Skydance was approved, and that approval 
was conditioned on commitments to reshape the editorial 
direction at CBS News, we saw what unchecked media 
consolidation leaves in its wake, including the collapse of 60 
Minutes, and the irreparable damage done to one of the most 
trusted names in broadcast journalism.
 Now, that same ownership is seeking to add CNN, HBO, and 
Warner Bros. to that portfolio, financed by $24 billion from 
sovereign wealth funds controlled by foreign governments with 
documented records of suppression. Nearly half of the combined 
company would be in foreign government hands. Paramount has 
asked the FCC to authorize up to 100 percent foreign ownership 
of its broadcast licensees, and the FCC has shown every sign 
that it intends to wave that through.
 Whether to authorize that level of foreign government 
control over media broadcast infrastructure, cable news 
networks, and Hollywood studios, is a national security 
question that demands far more than a rubber stamp. Media 
consolidation on this scale requires, I mean creates the 
conditions for exactly the kind of editorial control this 
administration has shown it intends to exercise.
 Pursuing investigations and threatening the licenses of 
news organizations whose coverage it finds unfavorable. That 
campaign of censorship and control does not happen without the 
consolidated media power that enables it. The American people 
deserve a government whose approach to media policy starts and 
ends with their interests, not those of powerful companies, 
foreign governments, and an administration that has made clear 
it views media ownership as a tool of political control.
 I am grateful for this Committee's attention to these 
issues, and I welcome any questions you may have. Thank you.
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 Mr. Fitzgerald. Thank you, Ms. Gomez. We will now proceed 
under the five-minute rule with some questions. I am going to 
recognize myself.
 Mr. Travis, when the NFL came to Congress in 1961, they 
warned that smaller teams wouldn't survive if the league could 
not pool their broadcast rights, so it created shared revenue 
of which I am not really concerned, I don't care how they slice 
up the pie.
 Today, professional sports leagues are among the most 
profitable businesses in the world. Is it safe to say that the 
survival of professional sports is no longer dependent on a 
special exemption from Congress?
 Mr. Travis. I feel pretty good that the NFL is not going to 
start to lose money any time soon, and everybody understands 
that the NFL's power today is drastically different than it was 
in 1961.
 Mr. Fitzgerald. To me, the straw that kind of broke the 
camel's back was when we saw the NFL sign a contract with 
Netflix. At that point I think they went from kind of pushing 
on the edge of the law to jumping headfirst through it. Given 
the NFL has effectively thumbed its nose at sports 
broadcasting, is there something there that Congress is 
missing, or are they simply flouting the whole concept at this 
point?
 Mr. Travis. The NFL under the plain reading of the 1961 
Sports Broadcasting Act, I also have a law degree, so I am not 
entirely out of scope here when I analyze it, the NFL quite 
clearly for at least 13 percent of its overall television 
package which now has moved to streaming, is violating the 
plain intent of the law.
 In fact, if you read the 1961 act, there is a pretty clear 
discussion in there, certainly we didn't understand the concept 
of streaming, even the idea of cable was hard to comprehend of 
where we were headed, but they specifically say that they 
wouldn't have been allowed under that 1961 act to put these 
games behind what was then sort of a pay per view concept that 
they understood in 1961, closed captioning style, where it 
wasn't available for free.
 Clearly, if you look at that 1961 law and apply it to 
modern technology, the 13 percent, Netflix and Amazon, and 
other streaming assets clearly violate the intent of the 1961 
law, which is pretty clear. It was designed to make sure that 
fans get free access to games, anything that fans are having to 
pay for outside of broadcast television, arguably is outside 
the scope of that 1961 exemption.
 Mr. Fitzgerald. Very good, thank you. Mr. Hallers, as a 
sports bar owner, I would guess that showing your customers the 
games they want to see is an essential part of the business, 
but as we have already spoken about, unfortunately purchasing 
premium packages like the NFL Sunday Ticket is not an option 
for a business like yourself, and now that has changed.
 Can you just try and describe the changes that would have 
to be made within your own restaurants and bars to accommodate 
the new NFL package?
 Mr. Hallers. Right, basically it is still, I guess called 
Sunday Ticket, but they have moved it from DIRECTV, which is 
basically what all the bars and restaurants that have shown 
football on Sundays for 30 or 40 years have used, they are 
moving it to a streaming only platform called EverPass. It has 
been available on both DIRECTV and EverPass for the last couple 
of years.
 Here in 2026 they said no more for DIRECTV, everybody has 
to move to streaming. Literally now we have to buy streaming 
boxes, and in a typical smaller bar where I have maybe 30 or 40 
TVs with a DIRECTV box mounted behind every television, I now 
have to get an EverPass streaming box.
 You can't put an EverPass streaming box behind every TV, it 
doesn't work like that. You have to bring in like eight of 
these boxes, and then you have to put in the wiring, and the 
infrastructure to distribute that signal out to all your 30 or 
40 TVs. This is because your typical internet bandwidth at a 
bar can't handle 30 or 40 streams.
 Just imagine at home if you tried to stream 30 Netflixes at 
once, your internet is just going to die. Well, it is the same 
way for most bars and restaurants today. I buy internet that is 
big enough to run my POS, and to run systems, and give 
customers some Wi-Fi, but when I put this in I am going to have 
to go get like gig fiber connections, and I can only imagine 
there is bars and restaurants out there that don't even have 
that ability to go buy high speed internet maybe at a 
reasonable price.
 For sure, once you bring this in with this infrastructure, 
you have to make sure every part of it actually works. If I 
need to show ten games at noon on Sunday, there is two on 
broadcast TV, which I will be watching with my DIRECTV boxes, 
eight on the streaming boxes, and the other problem is the 
eight streaming boxes, so almost all sports bars have went and 
bought these.
 Even the best sports bars have these video distribution 
systems, where you bought a certain number of inputs, and a 
certain number of outputs. Well, now we are bringing in eight 
new inputs, and everybody is looking at their equipment going 
like I don't have eight spots to plug in new boxes. We are left 
with, do we go back and buy even bigger and more expensive 
equipment?
 Of which there is a very limited amount in the marketplace, 
because only so many sports bars open a year. Do we rip out 
DIRECTV boxes on Sunday, or put in some kind of switches to 
switch over? Imagine a typical manager in a restaurant, OK, at 
noon switch all these boxes over, and then after that game is 
over this one is going to be on broadcast, let us switch these 
TVs over. It is just mayhem.
 Mr. Fitzgerald. Thank you. Mr. Nadler, you are recognized.
 Mr. Nadler. Thank you, Mr. Chair. Commissioner Gomez, you 
mentioned in a recent letter that Disney and ABC are facing a 
quote ``Sustained, coordinated campaign of censorship and 
control from the Trump Administration.'' Can you tell us about 
how the Trump Administration has weaponized the FCC, and what 
that does to free speech? Put on your mic.
 Ms. Gomez. Sorry, thank you. Yes, this administration has 
used every lever in its power, including weaponizing the FCC to 
wage its campaign of censorship and control over any content it 
doesn't like. One of the ways that it has done so is through 
its actions against Disney. It is clear, the White House issues 
a statement that it is unhappy with some kind of content that 
is on an ABC station, and the FCC initiates an investigation 
against that station.
 Most egregiously, the FCC has now called up all the local 
ABC stations of Disney under the pretext of an investigation to 
retaliate against Disney because it has refused to capitulate 
to this administration's demands that it fire Jimmy Kimmel or 
regulate the content of its media reports.
 Mr. Nadler. What are some of the more egregious incidents 
that you have witnessed at the FCC?
 Ms. Gomez. The most egregious incident so far, and I have 
seen a lot of egregious uses of our investigatory authority to 
go after content particularly by news organizations has been 
calling up these eight local stations by Disney. It has never 
gone after network content by threatening the licenses of local 
broadcast stations.
 The last time it actually took such an action was over half 
a century ago. This is an extreme action to pressure Disney to 
cave.
 Mr. Nadler. Commissioner Gomez, you have been outspoken 
about the wave of consolidation in the media market, from the 
recently approved Nexstar-TEGNA merger to the proposed 
Paramount Warner Bros.-Discovery acquisition. How does this 
kind of media consolidation impact American consumers and their 
monthly bills?
 Ms. Gomez. Thank you for that question. Media consolidation 
leads to higher prices for consumers. When it comes to the 
local broadcasters, what it leads to is higher rates that they 
charge to the cable companies, and to satellite companies for 
their content. That will directly lead to consumers paying 
higher prices. Importantly, it also leads to the loss of local 
journalism and local content.
 Communities also suffer because the news and the 
information that they rely on for their civic engagement, for 
disasters become homogenized, and it loses the localism that 
these broadcasters provide when you become too nationalized.
 Mr. Nadler. How does this media consolidation affect the 
ability of Sports fans to watch their favorite teams without 
paying exorbitant amounts?
 Ms. Gomez. Media consolidation always affects any 
consumers, because what you get is a difference in market 
power. Whether it is through higher retransmission rates, now 
in the case of sports fans, you need to look at where excess 
market power is actually leading to less competition, which 
then leads to higher prices for consumers and viewers.
 Mr. Nadler. Finally, can you expand on how these large 
media mergers affect local journalism?
 Ms. Gomez. The large media mergers result in losses in the 
newsrooms; they result in loss of a diversity of viewpoints. It 
results in fewer local content, less local content being 
provided to consumers, because the larger consolidations always 
need synergies. These broadcasters are taking on a huge amount 
of debt, and debt has to be settled somehow.
 The ones that pay for that are the local journalists, and 
the local communities these broadcasters are meant to serve.
 Mr. Nadler. Why do the local broadcasters pay for that?
 Ms. Gomez. Pardon me?
 Mr. Nadler. Why do the local broadcasters pay for that?
 Ms. Gomez. Well, when we are talking about big 
consolidation of local broadcasters, it's the local 
broadcasters that are in fact taking those actions.
 Mr. Nadler. Well thank you. Mr. Chair, I yield back.
 Mr. Fitzgerald. The gentleman yields back. I now recognize 
the gentleman from North Carolina, Mr. Harris, for five 
minutes.
 Mr. Harris. Thank you, Mr. Chair, and thank you for the 
opportunity to talk with you who are witnesses for us today.
 Mr. Hallers, thank you for coming in and testifying today, 
it is always great to hear from business owners about how 
actions in Washington are affecting day-to-day operations where 
you are. The Chair started off with you by talking about the 
changes that had happened.
 One thing I just want to give you a chance to elaborate on, 
on average, have these changes that you are even considering or 
looking to make, do you have an idea of what kind of costs are 
involved in those kinds of changes?
 Mr. Hallers. For a full-blown sports bar, we are looking at 
anywhere from $30,000-$40,000 of equipment upgrades, and we 
better get cracking soon, because football season is coming.
 Mr. Harris. Correct. Has the rise in streaming services 
increased or decreased the number of customers visiting your 
sports bars?
 Mr. Hallers. I think really, we fill up on Sundays, but in 
talking to the fans that are coming in all week long, they are 
very frustrated at the difficulty they are having watching 
football.
 Mr. Harris. Sure.
 Mr. Hallers. When they heard I was coming here, they were 
like you go tell them. They are really frustrated, and I am not 
just talking about the ones that are sitting in with me, just 
in general.
 Mr. Harris. Got you. Mr. Travis, I want to talk for just a 
moment about the NFL Sunday Ticket. In a briefing before this 
Committee in 2025, an NFL representative claimed that Sunday 
Ticket, and I quote,

 Was meant to be a product that was available for the truly avid 
 fan who wants every game.

They did not claim that the product was meant for fans to watch 
every game of only their team.
 However, this claim seems to be contradicted by Sunday 
Ticket's own marketing to Americans who are attempting to find 
their favorite NFL team's telecast. I say that by advertising 
for Sunday Ticket warns consumers, and again I quote,

 Even fans of the Cowboys, Chiefs, Eagles, Packers, 49ers, 
 Lions, and fans of every other team have needed NFL Sunday 
 Ticket to ensure they could watch every regular season game of 
 their favorite team.

 Due to the work of this Committee, data was obtained which 
showed that most Sunday ticket subscribers signed up to watch 
one favorite out of market team, not every game in the league. 
The same data also revealed that most subscribers who cancel 
their Sunday Ticket subscription, do so because it is too 
expensive. My question for you, Mr. Travis, is if the Committee 
can find this data, the NFL can find it too.
 In a consumer driven market, what reason would the NFL have 
to ignore this data point?
 Mr. Travis. I believe, based on my experience over the last 
20 years of covering the NFL, talking about the NFL Daily, the 
vast majority of NFL fans who subscribe to Sunday Ticket do 
that so they can follow their single favorite team. There are 
also diehards that want to have access to every single game.
 To me, a market-based option should be, if the NFL were 
trying to provide exactly what the consumer wanted, and not 
just charge everybody way more, you should be able to subscribe 
to guarantee yourself that you get to watch every game of your 
favorite team. That should be an option in the marketplace.
 Then, if you want every single NFL game available because 
you are a die hard, you love to gamble, maybe you are obsessed 
with your fantasy football team, that option should be in the 
marketplace as well. The fact that the NFL only provides the 
huge option, and not the targeted option for individual teams, 
is a direct refutation of what the marketplace at large 
actually wants.
 Mr. Harris. Thank you, great response. Mr. LeGeyt, it can 
be argued that the conditions that led to the passage of SBA no 
longer exist, and that the behavior of the league suggests that 
the spirit of the law is no longer being honored. However, the 
leagues would argue that repealing the SBA would destroy their 
business models.
 I just want to ask you at the last minute I have, if the 
SBA's antitrust exemption was removed, would business models be 
destroyed like the leagues contend, or would it require the 
leagues
to construct contracts that are more reasonable and consumer
friendly?
 Mr. LeGeyt. I certainly don't think the league's business 
model would be destroyed. I do want it to be clear that the NAB 
is not asking to repeal the Sports Broadcasting Act. What we 
are asking is for this Committee to affirm its guardrails, that 
it is meant to govern the negotiations between the league when 
it is pulling rights, and broadcasters. It is not meant to 
enable sports to be hidden behind pay walls.
 Mr. Harris. Is there any other reforms to the SBA you would 
suggest for Congress to enact?
 Mr. LeGeyt. Well, on top of this we have got to ensure that 
the law is enforced. One of the real questions here is the 
plain text of the law is clear as to the scope of negotiations 
it should apply to, the leagues, and broadcasters, yet it is 
obviously being misused. I would ask this Committee to look at 
those enforcement tools as well.
 Mr. Harris. Thank you, sir, and thank you to all the panel. 
Mr. Chair, I yield back.
 Mr. Fitzgerald. The gentleman yields back. I now recognize 
the Ranking Member of the Full Committee again, Mr. Raskin.
 Mr. Raskin. Thank you, Mr. Chair. Mr. LeGeyt, you represent 
broadcasters, do you agree with Commissioner Gomez that it is 
wrong for Federal agencies to make enforcement and regulatory 
decisions based on the President's personal animus toward 
certain companies, or friendship with other companies?
 Mr. LeGeyt. At NAB I can say unequivocally we are fighting 
every day to ensure that our Members have the ability to make 
programming decisions, to make newsroom decisions that are 
independent of any government influence.
 Mr. Raskin. OK. Commissioner Gomez, in your view what 
factors have contributed to this recent intensified regulatory 
scrutiny of the NFL? Are there political motivations behind it?
 Ms. Gomez. Well, thank you for that question. What appears 
to be reported is that in fact it was a major broadcast network 
that asked the administration to look into this issue. Which 
worries me because what should be motivating the administration 
is the actual consumers, the fans themselves.
 Mr. Raskin. Fans are indeed frustrated, as Mr. Travis 
identifies, but while there is this, I think kind of unserious 
investigation into the NFL, or heckling of the NFL to satisfy 
Rupert Murdoch, the administration is waving through massive 
media mergers that will further consolidate sports. I just 
wonder if you would say a word about what that means for fans, 
and then Mr. Travis, I want to get your perspective on that.
 Ms. Gomez. Yes. These major mergers lead to in fact less 
competition, particularly among the portions of these merged 
companies that actually provide services to the fans.
 Mr. Raskin. Does less competition mean higher prices?
 Ms. Gomez. Less competition means higher prices, and it 
means more harm to consumers.
 Mr. Raskin. What kinds of harm are you thinking of?
 Ms. Gomez. Again, higher prices, maybe less choice, it is 
the usual pattern that we see when we see major consolidation.
 Mr. Raskin. When you see centralization, consolidation, 
monopoly type practices, that inevitably is going to be to the 
detriment of consumers, to the people?
 Ms. Gomez. Yes, absolutely. Importantly for local 
broadcasters, these revenues are very important to them, and 
that is a large part of how they finance the local journalism 
that so many communities rely on.
 Mr. Raskin. OK, and Mr. Travis, the same question to you. 
What do you think the consequence has been for your 
constituency, fans across America, of these massive media 
consolidations and mergers?
 Mr. Travis. Look, I don't think there is any fan in 
America, regardless of his or her politics, Democrat, 
Republican, or Independent, that would say the sports fan 
viewing experience is getting better. That is why I contrasted 
it with the flat screen television experience, what the cost is 
there. Affordability and access are both getting worse, and in 
a market-based economy, based on capitalism, the opposite 
should be occurring.
 We should be getting more affordable, better access, and we 
are not seeing that. It has gotten worse, it has accelerated, 
sir, over the last 20 years the fan experience has gotten 
worse. Every one of you guys up there has sat with a remote 
trying to switch from one game to another and was not able to 
do it. In 2008-2010, that wasn't an issue. That is what I am 
concerned about, is the average fan experience has degraded.
 Mr. Raskin. Yes. Because that is the focus of your 
professional life, your personal life, it seems like it 
subsumes your whole being there, what are some of the concrete 
ways in which the fan experience has been degraded over the 
last several years?
 Mr. Travis. I will give you several, and I could probably 
talk for hours on this, and I have. Just think about what goes 
on with streaming now. Streaming is delayed, if you are 
watching a game on Amazon, or you are watching a game on 
Netflix, and you are sitting with your phone, and you are 
texting with your friends or family about a game, you might 
find out what happened on the play a minute after it actually 
happened.
 Some of you know this experience, you have been sitting on 
your couch, you don't even want to look at your phone because 
it is a crucible moment of the game, and your buddy might have 
seen it already a minute ago. That didn't happen back in the 
day, we used to all watch games together. Streaming is delayed, 
and that is a very minimal thing.
 The password situation with not being able to get logged 
in, you have paid for it but for some reason you are not 
getting logged in. The fact that you might travel, and try to 
watch a game, you are right, I am obsessed with this, and the 
average fan is not getting--
 Mr. Raskin. All right, I have only got 20 seconds, I want 
to ask you one other question before I go and subscribe to 
OutKick. The NFL has said they have received no outreach from 
the DOJ about an investigation that was supposedly opened 
months ago into the NFL, does that suggest that DOJ is actually 
doing their job for consumers, or is all of this just sort of 
performance art, and posturing for Mr. Murdoch?
 Mr. Travis. I am not an expert in DOJ investigations; I do 
have a law degree. I would hope personally that the Department 
of Justice is actually looking into this on the basis of the 
1961 law, and on the foundational idea across the political 
spectrum of sports fans should get good value, and not a 
degraded experience that they are currently receiving across so 
many different sports.
 Mr. Raskin. Thank you very much. I yield back, Mr. Chair.
 Mr. Fitzgerald. The gentleman yields back. I now recognize 
the gentlewoman from Wyoming for five minutes.
 Ms. Hageman. Thank you. Since my time in Congress, I have 
long advocated for the use of sunsets in much of the work that 
we undertake here, ensuring that issues can be revisited as 
circumstances change. The Sports Broadcasting Act of 1961 is a 
perfect example of this, given that its enactment came at a 
time when satellite streaming and modern cable television 
services did not exist.
 Had a sunset clause been in place, Congress would have 
almost certainly been forced to address the problems that we 
are hearing about today the moment that viewing options moved 
beyond free, over the air broadcast television. Mr. Travis, 
given the pace of change in sports broadcasting, would you 
agree that whatever reform Congress may seek to undertake with 
the Sports Broadcasting Act, that it would be wise to include a 
mechanism allowing us to continually revisit the issue well 
into the future?
 Mr. Travis. Yes, that would be incredibly important, 
because technology is hard to predict. I would point out that 
there is a discussion surrounding closed captioning television 
I understand to be true. Back in the 1950s-1960s, you could put 
pay per view for big boxing matches, and they would sometimes 
do it.
 The 1961 act specifically says that would not be allowed 
here. In other words, we are moving toward a world I think 
where one day the Super Bowl might be put on Netflix, or 
Amazon, or some streaming device that requires everybody to 
have a subscription to be able to watch something that unites 
us all, I actually agree with Commissioner Gomez on this.
 Sports is one of the last places where everybody can come 
together in common experience, things I always say somebody 
makes a winning shot, you don't think about the politics, or 
the ethnicity, or the religion of anybody else around you. 
Chair Nadler was talking about the Knicks in that way--
 Ms. Hageman. Mr. LeGeyt, do you agree that there should be 
a sunset on whatever bill we adopt?
 Mr. Nadler. May their name be blessed.
 Mr. LeGeyt. Go Celtics. This is certainly a rapidly 
changing marketplace, and I do think that that would be wise. I 
think as important is to reaffirm these guardrails, that the 
piece of this ecosystem that is not changing, which is that 
broadcast remains freely available to all is the medium that 
this act was intended to govern the negotiations with.
 Ms. Hageman. Well, if we do move forward with a sunset 
clause, what market factors would need to be considered when 
determining the appropriate length, among other details? What 
are some of the market factors we need to consider in terms of 
identifying what the sunset clause should be, five years, seven 
years, ten years, and three years?
 Mr. LeGeyt. Well, I do think the lengths of these media 
deals by and large, which tend to be in the five-to-ten-year 
range, are a factor here. I would also say that the nature of 
the professional sports leagues, the scope of leagues to which 
it should apply, for a league like the NFL, which is well 
established, and certainly the principle of wanting to ensure 
that small market teams in Pittsburgh and Green Bay have an 
equitable chance to succeed, reinvest in their product, benefit 
from the unique reach of broadcasting.
 They are at a different stage in their business than a more 
nascent sports league.
 Ms. Hageman. OK. Wyoming is one of just over 20 States that 
lacks a professional sports team with respect to the major 
North American sports leagues. As a result, our professional 
sports fan base can be highly fragmented. Additionally, with 
Wyoming being one of America's most rural States, access to 
reliable broadband and other forms of connectivity is already a 
challenge for many of my constituents.
 Taking football as an example, the most popular NFL teams 
in Wyoming are the Denver Broncos, and the Buffalo Bills, given 
the popularity of Josh Allen, and his time as a star 
quarterback for the University of Wyoming. Mr. Travis, suppose 
a Buffalo Bill fan lives in Wyoming, well outside the team's 
home market, how would that fan access every Bills game during 
the season at home?
 Mr. Travis. The Bills fan in Wyoming, who loves Josh Allen, 
who I happen to think is the best quarterback in the NFL right 
now--
 Ms. Hageman. Ever, yes.
 Mr. Travis. In Wyoming they may say the best ever. You 
would have to be an NFL Sunday Ticket subscriber. Now, some 
Bills games, and this gets complicated, some Bills games would 
be carried nationally, because they are a very popular team. If 
you had a constituent come to me, and say Mr. Travis, how do I 
guarantee that I watch every Bills game, you would have to be 
an NFL Sunday Ticket subscriber.
 You would not be able to only buy Buffalo Bills games, 
which is what your constituent is asking for. They would have 
to buy the totality of the NFL Sunday Ticket package to ensure 
that they were able to watch every Josh Allen game.
 Ms. Hageman. Well, Mr. Hallers, I will turn to you really 
quickly. Using the same scenario that I gave Mr. Travis, what 
additional hurdles would a bar or restaurant in rural Wyoming 
need to jump through to continually display Bills games 
throughout the season, particularly in instances where 
connectivity already poses a challenge?
 Mr. Hallers. Yes, and I just want to add, even if you buy 
the Sunday Ticket, you don't get guaranteed to all the games, 
you may have to buy the other--
 Mr. Travis. Netflix and Amazon as well, so you are talking 
about having to buy everything.
 Mr. Hallers. Even though you go buy the NFL's premier 
product, it doesn't get you all the games, that has always been 
one of our gripes. It is like when we are subscribing, why not 
give us all the games, instead of making us go negotiate, or 
buy all these services? In rural Wyoming, this is exactly what 
I am talking about.
 You can't get high speed streaming, so if I was a real 
sports bar, which I am sure there are some in Wyoming, right 
now today they use satellite, which streams to everyone 
equally, so they are not impeded, and it has worked fine for 
decades. Today they are asked to do that, so now can you 
imagine in a smaller market somebody going I need to stream 
eight games, and plus show my over the air games, are they 
going to go buy a gigabyte internet connection?
 Ms. Hageman. Well, I appreciate that, thank you. I yield 
back.
 Mr. Fitzgerald. The gentlewoman yields back. We now 
recognize the gentlewoman from Vermont for five minutes.
 Ms. Balint. Thank you, Mr. Chair, and thank you to all the 
witnesses for your time, and from where I sit, every day is a 
great day to talk about antitrust enforcement. Because what is 
at the heart of all this is we have got fewer choices, we have 
got higher costs, we have got services that used to be free, 
and now they all come with a fee.
 That is the modern American experience right now, and you 
are right. It cuts across all political persuasions, people are 
angry, we all feel it, our paychecks are not stretching as far, 
prices are creeping up, quality of the products that we are 
getting is getting worse. It affects everyone except the very 
few at the top who benefit from this.
 Whether you are tuning in to your favorite NFL team, when 
you are trying to go to the doctor, when you are trying to get 
online, on and on, when you are going to the grocery store, you 
are having a worse experience because of this exploitation of 
the American fan, and the American worker because of, from 
where I sit, corporate greed.
 We got to this place because of uncontrolled media 
consolidation. When our government does not enforce its own 
laws around antitrust, and we in Congress allow them to gather 
dust, and every once in a while we have a hearing on a salient 
issue for many Americans, but we should be doing this every 
day, then competition exists in name only, and consumers and 
fans get ripped off.
 I am going to turn to you first, Commissioner Gomez. I 
appreciate how outspoken you have been about the wave of media 
consolidations that we have seen, including the Paramount-
Warner Bros. merger, can you please explain how media 
consolidation affects fans and their abilities to watch their 
favorite team? I know we have been over this, but it is 
important that we continue to shine a light on this.
 Ms. Gomez. Yes. Media consolidation as a whole impacts 
local communities. It impacts local communities because they 
actually get less community content, and that includes sports 
content. In the case of national sports content, what media 
consolidation leads to is market power, and a lack of 
competition that then ends up impacting consumers.
 Because the corporations are more worried about obviously 
their bottom lines, paying down debt, than they are about the 
viewers themselves.
 Ms. Balint. You talked about this earlier too, right? It is 
driving up costs, and I know fans feel like they are stuck, 
they are absolutely stuck, they have no choice but to pay the 
fees on all these different streaming services. Now, I want to 
take a moment to drill down on the EverPass situation for a 
moment.
 Because this doesn't just affect everyday costs for 
Americans, it hurts small businesses, which you spoke to 
earlier, Mr. Hallers, I was really interested in what you had 
to say. For three decades DIRECTV sold commercial Sunday Ticket 
to bars and restaurants, now that is ending. Starting next 
season, the only authorized way for a business like Mr. 
Hallers' business to show NFL Sunday Ticket is through EverPass 
media.
 EverPass is a joint venture between the NFL and a private 
equity firm. What does it mean for you now that the NFL holds 
financial stake in the only company authorized to sell you its 
out-of-market games? This is like the epitome of monopoly right 
here.
 Mr. Hallers. Right, yes. Clearly, we see more and more 
price increases coming our way, that is just what we feel. It 
is crazy that they can't offer this out or have competition. 
Why wouldn't you actually allow it to come out on multiple 
services to ensure everyone can see the game? That is the crazy 
part. In other words, it doesn't--what reason would there be 
not to let them still send it to DIRECTV for everybody with the 
legacy systems?
 Sure, by the way, they could come along and give a better 
deal, hey, switch to streaming and we will give you a better 
deal. That is, 15 percent off the first year is not exactly the 
promise of a better deal forever.
 Ms. Balint. Yes, and look, if you have ever worked in 
restaurants as I have multiple times in my life, your margins 
are very slim.
 Mr. Hallers. Yes, for most, and that is why I literally am 
out talking to different bar owners who are like we can't 
switch, they don't have the money to switch from DIRECTV. They 
are all praying that DIRECTV somehow still gets the deal.
 Ms. Balint. Yes, well I appreciate you being here. The last 
point I just want to make is, because I did attend President 
Trump's second inauguration, and saw all the folks who were 
sitting behind him at the inauguration, including Jeff Bezos, 
and just want to remind everybody that the CEO of Amazon gave 
tens of millions of dollars for the Melania documentary, on top 
of spending $35 million to market this, from my perspective, 
fluff piece on the First Lady.
 This is what it is all about, it is always about payback, 
it is a quid pro quo, and I just feel like these are issues 
that we can work together across party on, and I hope that we 
will do that.
 Thank you, and I yield back.
 Mr. Fitzgerald. The gentlewoman yields back. We now 
recognize the gentleman from Texas for five minutes.
 Mr. Gooden. Thank you. Mr. LeGeyt, as of today a Dallas 
Cowboys fan in Dallas, where I am from, the Dallas area, can 
watch all their games for free, is that accurate, one, and is 
that the same for local teams in other local areas?
 Mr. LeGeyt. Thank you for the question. That is not 
accurate. It may be, and let us peel this back for a moment. If 
we are talking about a Cowboy fan who lives in Dallas, that fan 
is going to have access to the vast majority of games free over 
the air. Then, for the Cowboy games that are on Thursday night 
on Amazon, or on another streaming service, that game will be 
aired locally on broadcast to that fan in Dallas itself.
 For the other Cowboy fans across Texas, outside of that 
singular DMA, they are going to have to pay for the 
subscription streaming service, there will be no over the air 
option. Then, certainly out of market, while certainly the 
Cowboys are popular enough that they have games with a national 
distribution, a number of their games will not be available 
nationally.
 That out-of-market fan is going to need to pay for the 
Sunday Ticket, probably in addition to a number of other 
streaming services as Mr. Travis just referred to, Amazon, 
Netflix, to access those games, so the cost still adds up.
 Mr. Gooden. As something, I am not Mr. NFL here, but it 
just seems as if the point has not been made very well, because 
I have watched everyone speak, I realize I just walked in, but 
I have watched everyone, and the point has not been greatly 
made that you can watch your local team in your local market. 
The phrase I have heard a lot of folks say is my favorite team.
 If you live in the Houston area, you can watch the Houston 
Texans, you maybe can't watch the Dallas Cowboys every single 
game. If you live in the Dallas area you can watch the Dallas 
Cowboys, and you maybe can't watch the Green Bay Packers 
without having to jump through some of these hoops that you 
talk about. Whether or not we think that is right or wrong, I 
just want to make the point that I have not really heard anyone 
else make the point today.
 That is pretty significant that you can watch your local 
team in your local area.
 Mr. LeGeyt. Yes, let me say we are exceedingly proud as 
local broadcasters who are the ones carrying that game in local 
markets across the country, we are exceedingly proud of that 
partnership with the NFL, it has helped grow the NFL's fan 
base, it has helped grow our viewership, we reinvest that in 
local journalism.
 That is an important partnership. Beyond that very singular 
local market relationship, the balance has eroded.
 Mr. Gooden. Let me ask you this, Mr. Travis, one of the 
arguments was the smaller teams were not going to benefit as 
much, or they were struggling. A Green Bay Packers team is not 
in a TV market that the Dallas Cowboys are in, and this helps 
them to be able to revenue share. If we change it, or we 
eliminate it rather, then someone like maybe the Jacksonville 
Jaguars are not going to do as well.
 Are they all going to crash and burn? Probably not, but 
what is your take on if we take away that ability for them to 
revenue share, and lift all boats?
 Mr. Travis. It is an excellent question, and the easy 
answer is no one knows for sure. What I would point to is I am 
a diehard football fan, like I said, I watch games all day on 
Saturday and Sunday, way too many, ask my wife. On Saturday 
when I sit down, I can watch ten college football games on 
broadcast television for free. On Sunday I can watch four.
 I tend to think that the NFL would be smart enough to 
continue to maximize its audience and also maximize its 
revenue. I don't think we know, and frankly, I am not sure how 
many people are saying even in your world, Democrats or 
Republicans, that the Sports Broadcasting Act exemption should 
be removed. I think there are a lot of people who say it needs 
to be applied fairly in the modern era.
 I am not hearing very many people say it would be repealed. 
What your hypothetical is, and it is interesting, and a good 
one, is what if we repealed this, what would the marketplace 
look like? More significantly, how might it impact competition 
going forward? The easy answer is no one knows.
 If you use college football a bit as an approximator, they 
do not have an antitrust exemption, and you get more games for 
lower cost in college than you do the NFL.
 Mr. Gooden. I am with you, but I can't watch my Texas 
Longhorns every Saturday for free, I sometimes have to go to 
trouble. If you also make that as a percentage, you said ten 
free games, let us say that is the number. How many college 
games are going on a Saturday, compared to how many NFL games 
on a Sunday? The answer is a whole lot more.
 Mr. Travis. Yes, a lot more. I would say your Texas 
Longhorns, who by the way are really good--
 Mr. Gooden. Bad example to use perhaps.
 Mr. Travis. They are on ABC a lot for free. Now, it is true 
that ESPN, if you get into the weeds, ESPN has the exclusive 
rights to the SEC, you have the SEC Network, ESPN, ESPN2, ABC, 
but an awful lot, I would argue almost all the big Longhorn 
games this coming year, I haven't seen the full schedule, but I 
think you all will be on ABC a lot.
 Mr. Gooden. You are right, but if I told you my team was a 
smaller school that was playing every Saturday, they are not 
always on TV. Those NFL teams, they always are, some of the 
smaller town areas that I don't know what happens if they can't 
share the revenue.
 Mr. Travis. It is a great question; I have faith in the 
NFL's ability to make money no matter what the rules are.
 Mr. Gooden. Let us keep talking about it, I have enjoyed 
having you all, thank you.
 Mr. Travis. Thank you, I appreciate it.
 Mr. Fitzgerald. The gentleman yields back. I guess I would 
just make the point before I call on the gentleman from 
California, that all the professional leagues handle revenue 
sharing differently. Very clearly Major League Baseball does. I 
will recognize the gentleman from California for five minutes.
 Mr. Correa. Thank you, Mr. Chair, I want to thank our 
witnesses here today, good information. I am a person back 
home; I prefer going to the Friday night high school football 
games, standing on the sidelines, it doesn't get any better 
than that, hot dog and a drink, it is a great time. Not all my 
constituents prefer high school.
 To think of a thousand dollars some people pay, what 
happened? In 1961 antitrust, fans first. What do I tell folks 
back home that may be watching this today? They sent us up here 
to fix things, and I think that is what people are frustrated 
with back home is you guys talk a lot, like my daughter says, 
you guys talk a lot. After today's hearing, is this going to 
fix anything?
 After today's hearing do we have to pass legislation to fix 
things? After today's hearing do we have to get the executive 
to do something? I am asking you, I am going to ask each and 
every one of you that question, or questions, and if you can be 
concise with your answer, I would appreciate it. Ms. Gomez, go 
ahead.
 Ms. Gomez. Thank you for asking that question. My advice to 
this Committee is to look at where there are a nexus of market 
power and a lack of competition that leads to consumer harms.
 Mr. Correa. The answer would be legislative, 
administrative, what?
 Ms. Gomez. Well, it is definitely not the FCC that can do 
something about this.
 Mr. Correa. It would be us here?
 Ms. Gomez. Yes.
 Mr. Correa. Mr. Travis?
 Mr. Travis. My contention would be you helped to create 
this situation at play by passing that law in 1961. It is 
incumbent on you as Democrats, Republicans, and Independents, 
in my opinion, speaking on behalf a lot of fans out there who 
don't feel like the marketplace is serving them well, they are 
paying more and getting less, for you to fix the 1961 act in 
the context of the modern era, which is very different than 
what--
 Mr. Correa. Do you know how many times I have had to 
struggle to find the Chargers game for my wife?
 Mr. Travis. You are preaching to the choir.
 Mr. Correa. I lose most of those efforts, which are not 
good for me. Mr. LeGeyt?
 Mr. LeGeyt. It is an all the above approach. I think 
first--
 Mr. Correa. Give me a priority here, not just all the 
above.
 Mr. LeGeyt. The Committee needs to reaffirm the scope of 
this act, which, as Mr. Travis just said, was enacted by 
Congress. We are not here to scrutinize the NFL's business 
practices, we are here to affirm that if they want to take 
advantage of an antitrust exemption granted to them by this 
body, that there are certain public interest obligations that 
went along with that, and there is a clearly defined scope.
 Mr. Correa. To live up to the spirit of the law.
 Mr. LeGeyt. That is exactly right. I believe that this 
Committee is uniquely positioned to deliver that message, and I 
believe that the law needs to be properly enforced.
 Mr. Correa. Mr. Hallers?
 Mr. Hallers. I would just like to say that on Saturdays 
with college football, we actually pay for and are able to show 
like 40 games, and it costs me pennies, the charge doesn't even 
equate to anything that is a problem, and we now have more 
college fans than ever, and we see bigger crowds sometimes on 
Saturdays than Sundays.
 You wonder why that is when they have just made access so 
easy. I would like the NFL to just go back to being fan first, 
rather than NFL first.
 Mr. Correa. Next to high school I love college ball, and I 
do hope that we continue to have access to those games in a 
reasonable, cost-effective method. Last minute I have got here, 
Mr. LeGeyt, I want to ask you just a quick question. There is a 
proposal to pull more regional games off broadcast, putting 
them on cable TV, would this proposal benefit local TV fans or 
not, do you know?
 Mr. LeGeyt. I am not familiar with the specific proposal, 
but I can tell you the migration that we have seen in recent 
years has been in the opposite direction, which is that teams 
that for a decade plus had reached their local fans through 
cable regional sports networks have migrated back to local 
broadcast television. Those teams across the NHL, the NBA, and 
the MLB have seen their ratings surge.
 It once again reaffirms the unique reach of broadcast. I 
can provide you and this Committee followup on the specifics of 
those deals; they number now in the dozens across the major 
sports.
 Mr. Correa. Does that raise the price, or lower the price 
of the local?
 Mr. LeGeyt. This is a home run for consumers, because that 
game is available free over the air to every one of those 
consumers without cost.
 Mr. Correa. I want to thank our witnesses today. If you get 
me that information, I would really appreciate it. Mr. Chair, 
Ranking Member, I hope we can continue to pursue this one, 
because we have good information today, but we have still got 
to fix these problems. Thank you, and I yield.
 Mr. Fitzgerald. The gentleman yields. The gentleman from 
Virginia is now recognized for five minutes.
 Mr. Cline. Thank you, Mr. Chair. Mr. LeGeyt, you have 
pointed out that NFL games on free broadcasts draw far larger 
audiences than the pay-walled streams. Thanksgiving games 
average $45, $57 million versus about $27 million for the 
Netflix Christmas game, and $21 million for Amazon's Black 
Friday game. If broadcast reaches twice the audience, what does 
it tell you that the league keeps moving marquee games behind 
pay walls?
 Mr. LeGeyt. To some degree you can take for granted what 
you already have. The partnership between all the major sports 
leagues, for particularly the NFL and broadcast has been a 
testament, first and foremost to the NFL's product, but also to 
the reach of broadcast, which has built their fan base, and has 
increased our viewership, and allowed us to reinvest in 
journalism.
 That is the magic of this partnership, and as the NFL is 
now looking ahead to maybe a more global marketplace, they are 
clearly diversifying the options that they are going to use to 
reach other consumers. I would just affirm for this Committee 
that they are making that business determination.
 This antitrust exemption which was granted to them enables 
them to pool rights in a way that would clearly be a violation 
of our antitrust laws, but for Congress' action, was intended 
only to govern those negotiations with broadcasters. The 
benefit to fans was that free access, and the balance is off if 
suddenly that act is going to be misused to enable negotiations 
with Amazon, Netflix, or YouTube.
 Mr. Cline. Our reporting suggests that the NFL seeks upward 
of an additional billion dollars a year from its network 
partners. In your view is the fragmentation that fans 
experience a byproduct of serving fans, or a byproduct of 
maximizing rights fees?
 Mr. LeGeyt. Well listen, by expanding the pool of media 
entities negotiating for these rights, the sports leagues are 
creating a broadened marketplace, and we know that these global 
streamers who have a number of other businesses as well don't 
have the same financial constraints when it comes to bidding 
for sports rights, so that is driving up the price for 
everyone.
 One point I would make with regard to that reported billion 
dollars increase that the NFL is requesting in their rights, 
that is just with regard to their negotiations with Paramount. 
That is not their negotiations with the other broadcast 
networks. They have said explicitly that they are looking for a 
50 percent or more increase in their rights deals given the 
increase that the NBA got during its round of negotiations. 
That number is much higher than a billion dollars.
 Mr. Cline. Thank you. Mr. Travis, EverPass, the new 
exclusive commercial distributor that bars and restaurants now 
must pay is partly owned by the NFL's own investment arm, 
alongside RedBird, and the owner of WWE, and UFC. The league 
sold the rights to a venture it has stake in and then made that 
venture the only option. As someone who covers the sports 
business, how should fans read that?
 Mr. Travis. What I would say about the NFL Sunday Ticket is 
in my opinion the NFL should offer single team options, in 
addition to the entire NFL Sunday Ticket. In general, if an 
entity is not serving the marketplace what the marketplace is 
demanding, that would raise questions about why they are doing 
that. From a business perspective the answer is because they 
can charge $480-some-odd for the NFL Sunday Ticket if they 
include all those games.
 If they only sold individual games, what it appears the 
vast majority of fans would prefer, they might only be able to 
charge $80 or $100. They are making hundreds of millions of 
dollars on a product that the average NFL fan, if given the 
option to choose between, would likely not pick.
 Mr. Cline. A Federal jury in 2024 found that the NFL had 
conspired to inflate Sunday Ticket prices, a verdict later set 
aside now on appeal. Set the legal status aside, does the 
behavior that trial surfaced match what you are seeing in how 
the league prices and distributes its games today?
 Mr. Travis. Well, look, the fact that a jury and a court 
have been examining this issue, again, kind of speaks to your 
ability, and your opportunity on behalf of constituents across 
the political spectrum to try to make their favorite sport more 
affordable, and ensure that they are not getting gouged in the 
process.
 That feels like a very legitimate perspective, given that 
you guys have already interjected yourself into this with the 
1961 act. It feels incumbent on Congress to address this.
 Mr. Cline. I appreciate that. Thank you, Mr. Chair, I yield 
back.
 Mr. Fitzgerald. The gentleman yields back. I now recognize 
the gentleman from Georgia, Mr. Johnson, for five minutes.
 Mr. Johnson. Thank you, Mr. Chair. I imagine that there are 
some die hard NFL fans out there who when they found out that 
there was going to be a hearing about the NFL on C-SPAN, they 
locked in to C-SPAN, not because they wanted to see and hear 
what we are talking about, but because it said NFL, and they 
are just hoping that the games are going to start, the 
preseason, just ready for it already, and it is coming soon 
folks.
 The NFL is the undisputed champion of American spectator 
sports. Very popular, the model works, the American people love 
NFL football, that is the bottom line. They got this antitrust 
exemption in 1961 that allowed for collective bargaining 
between the NFL and not streaming services, or cable, or 
satellite operators, but broadcasters.
 Broadcasters by the way, they serve every community in this 
country with trusted journalism for the most part, emergency 
information, local sports, weather, and public affairs 
programming, we don't want to see our broadcasters go away. 
They were the only game in town in terms of delivering NFL 
content back in 1961.
 They have this exemption to collectively bargain, which has 
led to a competitive balance across the league, teams are 
competitively balanced, that is one of the secrets that has led 
to the NFL's success, is because any team can win on any given 
Sunday. Mr. Gooden made a great point about people being able 
on broadcast TV, free TV, to watch their local NFL team, not 
necessarily their favorite team.
 I hear Mr. Travis wanting there to be more choice offered 
by the NFL for viewers who are interested in teams other than 
their local team. They want to be able to access those teams 
without getting soaked financially. I will note at this point 
that when you try to go to a game, Mr. Travis, if you take your 
three sons to an NFL game, the average ticket price is $310, 
$310-$350 in the nosebleed section.
 The cheapest ticket, $156, if you wanted to take your boys 
out to see an NFL game, that is going to cost you $600 and some 
odd dollars, which most families are not able to afford. We 
can't soak the people who enjoy football when they are watching 
it on platforms other than broadcast either.
 I also understand that the NFL has been expanding the 
antitrust exemption by collectively bargaining with platforms 
other than broadcast. Is that correct, Mr. LeGeyt?
 Mr. LeGeyt. That is correct.
 Mr. Johnson. Mr. Travis, you believe, and by the way, I 
can't see that far over there, Mr. Hallers, you are offering it 
to fans who like to flock to your restaurant and bars, and 
enjoy the game among friends, certainly nothing wrong with 
that, we should be able to do that, shouldn't be confined to 
the house to watch our football.
 I guess nobody is here advocating that the NFL should be 
offering each and every game for free across all platforms, 
correct? Got to pay, so the question is how much, and how? We 
do have artificial intelligence available for those fans who 
want to access ChatGPT or some other artificial intelligence 
vehicle and ask how can I watch my favorite team on this 
particular Sunday at the cheapest price.
 Then, you have to have all these different sticks to plug 
in, and that is costing you more than a football game per month 
if you want to get all of the sticks. How do we make the game 
available to as many people as possible for as cheaply as 
possible? Sometimes if it ain't broke, don't fix it, and let 
the technology, let the free-market system work its will.
 That I guess some of my folks on the other side of the 
aisle would appreciate that particular perspective. I am not 
arguing about it, but I don't know what we should do. I do know 
I am looking forward to watching NFL football coming up. Thank 
you.
 Mr. Issa. Mr. Chair, I would like to claim the 45 extra 
seconds that we--
 Mr. Fitzgerald. The gentleman yields back. I now recognize 
the Ranking Member for some UC requests.
 Mr. Raskin. Mr. Chair, thank you. First, ``Mergers, FCC 
Pressure Threaten Integrity of American Journalism,'' from the 
Seattle Times. Second, ``Rupert Murdoch's High Stakes Blitz 
against the NFL,'' The Wall Street Journal. Finally, 
``Paramount's WBD Takeover Explained, how the U.S. $111 billion 
Dollar Deal could Reshape Sports Media.'' from Sports Pro.
 Mr. Fitzgerald. Without objection. For the record, I have 
never met or spoken to Rupert Murdoch. I now recognize the 
gentleman from California for five minutes.
 Mr. Issa. I can say that I once introduced him to his twin 
separated at birth, the other Murdoch, David Murdoch. They had 
never met each other, they both are small, with British 
sounding accents, and I was shocked to find out they didn't 
know each other. That is the last time I saw him, but I do want 
to equalize the story.
 I want to note for the record, Mr. Chair, that it is about 
$10 if you would like to see the Republicans and Democrats 
fight at a baseball game at the stadium here tonight. For the 
Ranking Member of the Subcommittee who left, hopefully he will 
invite you all, it is ten bucks, he can afford it.
 I want to shift a little bit to the antitrust question 
followed by the current dilemma we face. Commissioner Gomez, if 
we had not granted in 1961 an antitrust exemption, would the 
NFL otherwise be free to essentially withhold anything, all 
broadcast, pick and choose, do whatever they want without any 
congressional oversight?
 Another way of putting it, except for that authority, what 
comes with that grant, we really don't have any leverage over 
the private entities that make up the NFL. They could choose, 
for example, not to broadcast at all, and have everything be 
private.
 Ms. Gomez. Yes, that is actually true under the First 
Amendment, you can't force people.
 Mr. Issa. OK, so we are dealing with, all of us on this 
side of the dais, with an authority we get by giving something. 
We are giving antitrust, antitrust exemption has allowed the 
NFL, as other professional sports, to essentially conspire to 
maximize their revenue, is that, in a nice way, conspiring 
might be the least nice way, but to come together to maximize 
their revenue without fear of the trust laws adversely 
affecting them?
 Ms. Gomez. My understanding of the original intent of the 
SBA was to protect small market teams and fans in the 
negotiations for being able to actually access those games.
 Mr. Issa. Sure, they try to equalize it so that Green Bay, 
with its vast amount of loyal people can in fact do at least as 
good a job as San Diego did when they failed to protect the 
Chargers, and allowed them to leave for L.A. That small, large 
is kind of interesting when you have real fans in Cleveland, in 
Green Bay, and apparently not enough in San Diego.
 Getting past my personal challenges on all that as a San 
Diegan, let me move the question back over toward the other 
three. Broadcast for example, Mr. LeGeyt, is what created, to a 
great extent, a massive--including radio in the old days more 
than today, created each of these sports, baseball, football, 
and so on, the ability to be captured even when they couldn't 
go to the game, whether they could afford it or not.
 Many of them had to work, it was late at night, they had 
kids, whatever the reason is. Isn't broadcast in fact what 
created the widespread, almost universal love of these games?
 Mr. LeGeyt. This has been an incredible partnership and 
success. You have got the reach of broadcast freely available 
to all, in some cases nationally, always locally, delivering a 
product, and helping to build fan bases. That is what we have 
seen here, and it has been remarked on throughout this hearing, 
but in this very polarized environment, sports brings 
communities together.
 It is a tremendous success story, this antitrust exemption 
helped to enable it by giving the leagues the ability to pool 
rights. There were procompetitive reasons for it, but there is 
a public access bargain implied in it, which is making that 
distribution available to all.
 Mr. Issa. I want to make a point that hopefully will 
benefit all of us as we go forward. An old story, but not that 
old, there was a company called Circuit City in Richmond, 
Virginia. It dominated consumer electronics sales, another one 
in Minnesota called Best Buy, and a number of others. Some 
years ago, Circuit City, the leader in that industry, also sold 
white goods like many of them did, refrigerators, washers, and 
dryers.
 The CEO made the decision that they were simply going to 
get rid of the low margin part of it and concentrate on where 
they made the high margin. Circuit City was gone in a few 
years. Their bankruptcy in no small part was attributed to the 
lack of traffic they had in their stores, that traffic dropped 
off because without white goods, which were low profit, but 
brought in mom, dad, and the kids to look at the other products 
that ultimately sold.
 That is the story that I am concerned about today from a 
standpoint of the FCC's obligation, they know it is clear. What 
I am concerned about, and I am making the point here today 
rather than a lot of questions is if NFL doesn't see that 
maintaining that broad appeal through markets that are not 
highly profitable, they may find that the product profitability 
drops off as the fans drop off in no small part because of each 
of your locations not being at the center of the ability to see 
the product.
 Mr. Chair, I appreciate you giving me that 45 seconds to 
opine on that. Go chargers. I yield back.
 Mr. Fitzgerald. The gentleman yields back. We now recognize 
the gentleman from Washington State.
 Mr. Baumgartner. Well, thank you, Mr. Chair, and I want to 
thank our panelists for this very important discussion. I am 
pretty sure that this body needs to take a strong look at the 
1961 Sports Broadcasting Act and update it. At a time that 
streaming wasn't even conceived of, that if the underlying 
piece of legislation is going to be appropriately applied, that 
we need to rethink through this.
 I would also say it is to the detriment of this 
conversation and to the NFL that Commissioner Roger Goodell was 
not here. I am sure at some point he is either watching, or 
listening, or this message will get to him. Commissioner 
Goodell, you would be well served if this thing is going to 
turn out in the direction you would like, to come before this 
Committee, and participate.
 My colleague from Wyoming commented on how Josh Allen made 
most people in Wyoming Buffalo Bills fans. We in Eastern 
Washington had a similar phenomenon with Gardner Minshew. We 
are certainly all Seahawks fans, but when Gardner was playing 
with Jacksonville, and then with the Indianapolis Colts, we 
would go through the regular process of trying to find those 
games.
 Does that mean that we are entitled to watch all those 
games for free? I am not sure, but it matters to my voters. Mr. 
Travis, I really appreciate you being here, I have long been a 
fan, both my wife and I liked reading Anonymous Mailbag. I 
appreciate your evolution of political philosophy, and I really 
admire you, just as an American entrepreneur.
 I also know that you are a big sports fan, you have boys, I 
have boys, and so a lot of what you say appeals to me. Now, you 
are a big SEC guy, I get it, you are from the South, I am from 
the West coast, but we do play football out there a little bit 
as well too. It looks like you want to make a comment, and then 
I will go on.
 Mr. Travis. Yes, I mean SEC football is the best in the 
country, but I appreciate other parts of the country that also 
play college football.
 Mr. Baumgartner. Thank you. Let me say that I was really 
good friends with Mike Leech, was one of my best friends, we 
taught a class together called insurgent warfare football 
strategy, traveled around the world together, and as he got to 
know you, he would tell me about his interactions with you. I 
want to talk a little bit about pro and college football in my 
time here.
 Wouldn't you agree that one of the things that makes pro-
football special, and compelling, is the competitive parity?
 Mr. Travis. Yes.
 Mr. Baumgartner. If the NFC East had a higher salary cap 
than the AFC West, that would be a product that would be less 
fun to watch, is that correct?
 Mr. Travis. One hundred percent.
 Mr. Baumgartner. If the NFC East got significantly higher 
TV revenue distribution, that would make that product less fun 
to watch?
 Mr. Travis. The NFL's ability to share revenue and create--
the NFL is unique. The way that I would sum up is the NFL is 
the business is the competition. If the games are not fun, 
nobody watches. If they are not competitive, no one watches, so 
that is the essence of the sport itself.
 Mr. Baumgartner. As we turn to the college example, and 
behind me you see some graphics of how much more the NFL and 
the pro sports are squeezing out of TV dollars per viewer than 
college sports are, and we deal with this college sports issue, 
and I really appreciate you talking about the Buffalo Bills 
example, it is a publicly funded entity that should be publicly 
regulated.
 I am very, very free market, I sponsored right to work 
legislation when I was in our State Senate. When it comes to 
college sports, my view is that these are highly subsidized 
public goods, and they should be regulated as such. With all 
due respect to the SEC, and the Big 10, and the large market 
schools, what makes that system special is the entire country.
 What my school went through, Washington State University, 
was to get its guts ripped out through conference realignment, 
and not for competitive reasons. We beat Wisconsin the last two 
times that we played, we had beat Oregon four times in a row, 
we competed at the highest levels of college sports.
 Then, through no fault of our own, had that ripped away, 
had our guts ripped out. The solution for keeping what is 
special about all sports is to adopt some of these TV revenue 
aspects in the name of competitive parity at the college sports 
level. Just in the remaining time, Mr. Travis, I know you are 
an SEC guy, I know you have a big-time network.
 I know the incentives that drive you toward creating the 
second NFL model, but what would you say about legislation for 
my voters, my fans of Washington State University, the small 
schools, what is your message to us?
 Mr. Travis. That is a great question, we could probably 
spend hours on this. First, I should say, since I am under 
oath, Mike Leech belongs to the College Football Hall of Fame. 
I absolutely love Mike Leech, and the run that he had at 
Washington State is emblematic of why so many people love 
college football. College football needs to be fixed, it is 
broken, and there are a lot of discussions about how to fix it.
 That it is being under-utilized dollars wise, I think the 
value of college football is second only to the NFL. Figuring 
out how to allocate more resources to college football that 
also can then support Olympic sports, because remember, most of 
the money for college athletics comes in through college 
football, a little bit from men's basketball.
 We have to make more money and reallocate it better to 
create a better quality of competition in college athletics, 
college football in particular. I agree with you, it is awful 
that Washington State was left behind, that Oregon State was 
left behind, and that the Pac-12 was ultimately destroyed in 
that process. We need to create a system that allows everyone 
to be more successful, more money, SEC, Big 10, Big 12, and 
ACC.
 Also, provide a pathway to high-level competition outside 
of those four major conference schools. Yes, and thank you for 
being a fan by the way.
 Mr. Fitzgerald. The gentleman yields back. I should ask to 
have his words taken down, his attack on University of 
Wisconsin was unwarranted. I now recognize--
 Mr. Baumgartner. Accurate.
 Mr. Fitzgerald. I now recognize the Chair of the Full 
Committee, a former Wisconsin Badger sitting to your right, for 
five minutes.
 Chair Jordan. I was joking, I majored in wrestling, but you 
are supposed to get a degree, so I got one there. Let me go 
right back to where the good gentleman from Washington was, Mr. 
Travis. Should there be an SBA for college sports?
 Mr. Travis. Man, it is a super fascinating question. My 
general perspective on it would be I don't know that it needs 
to be classified as an SBA. There needs to be an antitrust 
exemption that is created for college sports, because right now 
there are no rules.
 I don't know how many of you paid attention to what just 
happened in Lubbock, Texas, with a star quarterback who 
suddenly, even though he was gambling on sports, is now 
eligible according to a Federal District Court judge. We can't 
have college sports run by different individual Federal 
District Courts all over the country, we have to have a uniform 
set of rules that everyone understands and follows.
 Chair Jordan. Of course. We had someone asking why is 
Congress getting involved in college sports, you guys just 
screw everything up. I get that general point, but it is 
because we have an antitrust law, and you have got to have some 
kind of relief from antitrust law if the governing body can 
have the ability to make rules.
 Mr. Travis. To kind of simplify it, every rule that is put 
in place by any governing body is immediately challenged under 
antitrust law. Without the antitrust exemption, every athlete 
can sue and argue that they are being unfairly discriminated 
against under antitrust law.
 Chair Jordan. That is why we have got to pass either the 
SCORE Act, or the one that is introduced by the Senators, 
Protect College Sports Act, we have got to get something; to 
use the sports analogy, some ball in play--
 Mr. Travis. I agree.
 Chair Jordan. That we can address at least that fundamental 
question on the college side. OK, on the professional side it 
seems to me there are two fundamental questions:
 (1) Is consumer welfare standard, is that standard being 
met in the current environment?
 (2) Is the statute, the 1961 statute being followed? We are 
the Judiciary Committee, the standard in the courts is consumer 
welfare, and there is a statute, is the statute being followed?
 Let us go with the first question if we can. Do cartels 
consolidate power? I don't know who wants to do the economics 
analysis here? Mr. LeGeyt, we will go with you, the 
broadcaster.
 Mr. LeGeyt. The blanket question of do cartels--
 Chair Jordan. Yes, the blanket question, do cartels 
consolidate power?
 Mr. LeGeyt. They do.
 Chair Jordan. Yes, do they undermine competition?
 Mr. LeGeyt. They do.
 Chair Jordan. Do they decrease output?
 Mr. LeGeyt. They do.
 Chair Jordan. When all that happens, what happens to price?
 Mr. LeGeyt. Prices go up.
 Chair Jordan. Prices go up. That is the concern we have for 
consumers. That is just fundamental economics.
 Mr. LeGeyt. I am glad I was an economics major by the way.
 Chair Jordan. You were an economics major too? See, I got 
lucky there.
 Mr. LeGeyt. I was.
 Chair Jordan. The way we give people choices that they 
want, and that is at the best price, is the marketplace, and so 
that is what we are trying to deal with. Now, how about the 
statute? Mr. Travis talked about this, sir, is the 1961 statute 
being followed?
 Mr. Travis. In my opinion, no.
 Chair Jordan. The title tells you.
 Mr. Travis. Yes.
 Chair Jordan. The Sports Broadcasting Act, not the sports 
streaming, not the sports satellite, the Sports Broadcasting 
Act. There is a concern there, and when you read the statute it 
talks about telecast, which obviously at the time, because that 
is all they basically had was broadcast, telecast, it is there.
 Maybe more importantly, did a jury find the NFL in 
violation of these two things, the statute, and the consumer 
welfare standard according to the Sherman Antitrust Act?
 Mr. Travis. They did.
 Chair Jordan. They did, and what was the verdict, do you 
remember?
 Mr. Travis. It was a lot of money.
 Chair Jordan. It is tripled, I think it was like $14 
billion. Now, the judge said time out, they didn't necessarily 
agree with what the expert witnesses said, ``so we are going to 
reevaluate this.'' That is the situation we are in. We have got 
the college sports issue where some people are saying we need 
to do something with the Sports Broadcasting Act, maybe we do.
 We have got the NFL, where consumers are talking to us, and 
we are just trying to wrestle with what is the best thing to 
do. I have got 1:13 minutes. What is the best thing to do, Mr. 
Hallers?
 Mr. Hallers. Well, they just, for the fan's sake--
 Chair Jordan. Lower the price for bar owners, right? 
Whatever that is.
 Mr. Hallers. Look, I am not here complaining about what 
they charge us for the programming, and you guys know, we 
haven't talked about that. For a small bar, they charge for the 
Sunday Ticket, $6,000 a year. For a larger bar, $14,000 a year 
just for that Sunday Ticket, for an occupancy of 195 bar.
 Chair Jordan. Travis is probably the only fan that would 
ever pay that.
 Mr. Hallers. It is even more for the bigger bars. We are 
not here, we are saying charge us, just don't take away our 
choices. Just let us get it everywhere fairly, and that is what 
the fans want too. They just want access to the program in a 
fair way, and for the fans of course, they are like don't 
overcharge.
 Chair Jordan. Commissioner, I want to include everyone, I 
am being bipartisan today, I will let the Democrat witness go 
ahead.
 Ms. Gomez. Thank you. It is very important that we look at 
where there is market power, and where there is no competition 
that is harming consumers. We have seen this in the 
consolidation of major media companies, where we have seen 
local communities get harmed because they lose content, they 
lose the local journalism, they lose diversity of viewpoints. 
This really matters to the local communities that these 
broadcasters are serving.
 Chair Jordan. The last word for Mr. LeGeyt, Mr. Travis?
 Mr. Travis. Look, the NFL is saying 87 percent of their 
games are available to nationwide consumers. That is not true 
in any of your markets, they do not, no market in America gets 
87 percent of the games for free. My point would be if the NFL 
is saying we are doing 87 percent of the time, that still means 
you are violating the law 13 percent of the time almost by your 
very admission.
 That is why I think you guys have an obligation, a 
responsibility, and a duty to figure out how to apply this law 
going forward in the modern era.
 Chair Jordan. Well said.
 Mr. LeGeyt. The plain text of the law as you alluded to, 
Mr. Chair, is clear that it applies to broadcast only, those 
pooled negotiations. Frankly, the legislative history is even 
more clear that the Committee considered a broader application 
of the law to paid services and narrowed it to broadcast. Very 
clearly here the league is using the antitrust exemption to 
negotiate with Amazon, Netflix, Google, that is not what the 
law contemplated.
 As you are thinking about college sports, our simple ask 
would be that this migration of sports away from broadcast 
behind pay walls is a net harm to consumers, and need to be 
very, very cautious as to how we don't further that trend as it 
relates to college sports.
 Chair Jordan. Mr. Chair, thanks for your good work, I yield 
back.
 Mr. Fitzgerald. The Chair yields back. That concludes 
today's hearing, we thank our witnesses for appearing before 
the Subcommittee today. Without objection, all Members will 
have five legislative days to submit additional written 
questions for the witnesses, and additional materials for the 
record. Without objection, the hearing is adjourned.
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